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Strang Report: Pray About the Elections

Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Pray About the Elections

This is one of the most important elections in my lifetime. This week I have lots of information from various sources on some of the issues involved.

One of the most important votes is on the definition of marriage between one man and one woman both here in Florida as well as in California and Arizona. Click here to watch an interesting video about proposition 8 in California sent to me by the American Family Association.At the very end of this blog is a word that came from Dutch Sheets about his calling the body of Christ to prayer in the next 2 weeks up until the election. He believes, as I do, that this election can shift if people pray. It is so important that I'm running it below in it's entirely instead of some of the ads and other materials that we normally run. Please read it, send it to friends, and respond.

Here is a sobering interview by Tony Perkins on the effect that legalizing same sex marriage will have on how we raise our children. The video is about 7 minutes and worth watching.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1815825713/bctid1819819843

My friend John Stemberger is leading the charge for passage of Amendment 2 here in Florida. This is the link to his website which has a lot of useful information.
http://www.yes2marriage.org/learn-more/brochures-and-flyers/

Also, below is some information from Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel which is asking people to sign a petition saying they will vote for Amendment 2 and forwarding this to five friends. If you know someone who lives in Florida, please help us by emailing it to them.
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For weeks, Liberty Counsel has been working to create a network of grassroots Florida citizens who have taken a stand for marriage. I'm thrilled to report that we now can reach by email well over 100,000 Florida citizens who have expressed an interest in voting for the marriage amendment (Amendment 2)!

I believe these 100,000 plus citizens could make history in the next two weeks by rallying hundreds of thousands more to stand for marriage on November 4.But it all starts with you. Please go here to join with thousands of other Florida citizens who are pledging to vote YES on Amendment 2:

http://www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?u=12360&RID=14674276

After you sign the pledge, please take a moment to "Alert 5 to Keep Marriage Alive."

This is absolutely crucial. Anti-marriage groups are doing everything possible to defeat Amendment 2. They are using deception and scare tactics. They are even falsely telling senior citizens that they will "lose benefits" if the marriage amendment passes. That's why I'm asking you to take a stand with thousands of other Florida citizens right now by taking the marriage pledge.

Go here: http://www.libertyaction.org/r.asp?u=12360&RID=14674276

With your help, we can inform and equip hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens before Election Day. Thank you for taking your stand!

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman

Liberty Counsel
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Letter from Dutch Sheets

Dear Praying Friend,

In 2000, I wrote the 2nd most important letter of my life—a call to prayer for the elections of that year. I’m now writing what may be my most important letter. I knew the importance of those elections in 2000 was beyond any in my life up to that point and that the spiritual warfare surrounding them would be unlike anything any of us had ever seen. That letter was read by millions of people and I believe millions of them responded by praying. I also believe the prayers turned the tide.You may question whether President Bush was the right choice; obviously, he has made some blunders in his tenure as president. But two of his decisions alone left no doubt he was God’s choice: Roberts and Alito.

These two Supreme Court Justices have proven critical in the process of breaking the hold of humanism, death and anti-God agendas that have ruled the Court for 50 years. I assure you that more devastation—the shedding of innocent blood, immorality, decay of the family and an erosion of our godly heritage—has flowed into our nation through that institution than any other door in America. Many times more. The poison allowed into America through their decisions is beyond any of our abilities to articulate. The reality in America is that you don’t need to control Congress or the White Hose to rule the nation. You only need 5 people – 5 out of 9 on the Supreme Court. And for decades those who disagree with just about everything you and I stand for have been in control!In Bush’s two terms, the process of turning this around began with the appointments of Roberts and Alito. Now, we win some cases 5-4 and lose some 4-5. (We barely outlawed partial birth abortion. The vote of one judge saved thousands of babies from this horror.) We need one more conservative Justice for a consistent majority, then more to build a strong majority.

In Obama’s own words, “the next president will appoint at least one, perhaps two or more Supreme Court Justices.” He’s right. Almost certainly two or more older, liberal Justices are waiting until after the elections to retire, in hopes of Obama winning and appointing more liberals to replace them. And he certainly would. He voted against the confirmation of Roberts and Alito. So did Biden. And Biden led the fight against Justice Thomas several years back, another of the 4 solid conservatives. Make no mistake about it, the two of them do have a litmus test for Supreme Court Justices, and a major part of that test is Roe vs. Wade. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, both have very strong pro-life positions. This alone makes the choice for President simple. To vote for the 2nd and 3rd most liberal senators (Obama and Biden), both of whom are firmly and blatantly pro-abortion, would be unconscionable.Obama has actually said that if he wins, he would like his first action as president to be the signing of the Freedom of Choice Act, which would eliminate every other law against any aspect of abortion (partial birth abortion, parental notification, etc., etc.). And with a democratic majority in the House and Senate, pretty much any legislation he and Biden want to pass will be a slam-dunk. There are many other unrighteous positions they hold but this position alone makes the choice easy. If they win this election, it will set America back decades in the cause of life and the restoration we seek.

Just as many of you do, I too, want to see a first black President, but not Senator Obama. To allow that noble and godly desire, the economy or one’s position on the war to trump this issue of life and death for the innocent unborn is simply wrong. The scriptures teach that if we choose first to exalt righteousness and turn from evil, God promises to heal our land (see Proverbs 14:34; 2 Chronicles 7:14). It is righteousness that exalts a nation, not wealth, prosperity or armies. If we will finish the process of removing the curses of death and anti-God laws off of America by electing a president that will continue to shift the Court, God will grace us with breakthrough in other areas such as the economy, the war against terrorism, etc. My faith is not in a person, and certainly not a political party, for the healing of America, but I know God’s word and His ways well enough to know that our decisions do move Him to action or inaction. Now to the heart of my reason for writing this letter (I realize I am “preaching to the choir”—most of you who know or listen to me are conservative enough to vote for McCain and Palin.)I have not written any appeals for prayer concerning this election because:

1) others have, and
2) I believe our movement has matured to the point that the prayer base of the Church is already praying.

But I now feel the need to raise my voice. I am appealing to you to pray for these elections the next two weeks like you’ve never prayed for any in the past. Faithfully. Passionately. Boldly. Ask God for His mercy and grace. We deserve His judgment for removing His influence and authority from our government, schools, homes and businesses; for the killing of 50 million babies; for leading the world in the consumption and exporting of pornography; for passing laws to reject His; etc. But mercy triumphs over judgment and in His wrath He remembers mercy. In 2000 we actually lost the popular vote and won the election—talk about grace! Please pray for this grace to be released again.

But I am also asking you for something more than normal prayer. For those of you who understand spiritual warfare, I am asking you to also include this aspect of prayer. There is no doubt that we have entered a Daniel 10 moment in time: “Then he said to me, ‘Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, I have come in response to your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia’” (Daniel 10: 12-13 NAS). The spiritual warfare in this election is incredibly fierce, and just as it was in Daniel’s day, is all about the restoration of a nation. And also like Daniel, we must keep praying until we win the battle in the heavens.In August of this year I predicted that September would mark a shift in momentum for these elections. This happened with the appointment of Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential nominee (who is a true Esther in our generation), but when the economy began its meltdown and the media ramped up their unprecedented attacks on Palin, that momentum wasn’t sustained. But we can see it turn again if we approach this battle as the spiritual warfare it truly is and bind the evil forces involved (see Matthew 16:18-19). The reality is that this election can be the breakthrough we need to fully shift the Court (and ultimately our nation) or it will be an immeasurable setback that could take many years to reverse—if ever. Please understand what I am saying: if we engage in this battle and do what I am asking—in mass—we will win; if we do not, we will lose. I, for one, don’t intend to allow the latter. I am in Washington, D.C. now (October 20-22) with Lou Engle and a team of prayer leaders from around the nation to war for this election. Join us! Lose some sleep, miss some meals— pray! Pray like never before for these elections. And as you do, involve yourself not only in petitioning prayer but also in spiritual warfare. Use your God-given authority over the plans and strategies of Satan’s kingdom. Bind all witchcraft that is working to control the outcome, including occult powers that are suppressing truth. Release Christ’s Kingdom rule in every way the Holy Spirit leads you.

Don’t be deceived and don’t lose hope (if you have to, turn off the TV.) It is not too late to turn these elections. God is plenty powerful enough to do so. The real question is will we rise to the level of prayer and spiritual warfare necessary to release that power. And remember, we don’t need a majority of Christians who are willing and able to do this—only a praying remnant. We can do it!Here are some practical suggestions to consider:

1) Fast (a meal a day; a day a week; a Daniel fast; 3 days; 10 days; TV; etc.) and spend the time praying.
2) Agree in prayer with someone everyday for God’s will to be done.
3) Form/participate in prayer groups regularly. Churches could pray everyday.
4) Take time in every gathering to pray. (Take 15 minutes in every service to pray for the elections. Turn an entire service to harp and bowl style intercession—worship and prayer combined.)
5) Join 2 or more on a conference call and pray for 15, 20, or 30 minutes.
6) Pray on the way to work (and on the way home).
7) Pray before you go to sleep.
8) Pray before church services.
9) Ask God to give you His strategy—He will!

In His grip,

Dutch Sheets
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This is Steve again. This week is a potpourri of things emailed to me. For those who stayed with me this long, here is something from "the other side" showing the radical left is nervous about losing the vote on traditional marriage in California. It was forwarded to me by a friend and I thought it was both encouraging and an interesting insight in how they view people with traditional values.

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Here is a heartening letter to the editor of San Diego's Gay and Lesbian Times. Keep praying, fasting, and fighting.

Subject: Queer community faces 'political emergency' on Prop 8

Letters to the Editor
(Published Thursday, 16-Oct-2008 in issue 1086)

“Today we face a political emergency in the Queer community. The defeat of Proposition 8 by all legal means available is our immediate priority. NOTHING – not even the Presidential election – is more important.”

Dear Editor:

Rex Wockner’s article “Polls flip on California marriage, Gays losing now” (October 9) doesn’t mention the scariest aspect of the new polls showing anti-marriage Proposition 8 ahead: the gain of support occurred almost entirely among young voters (ages 18 to 34). Before this poll, marriage equality advocates had always assumed that the youth were on our side; that even if today’s cohort of voters was against same-sex marriage, the bigots would slowly die off and eventually there would be a clear majority on our side as young people, raised in an atmosphere of live-and-let-live acceptance of Queer people, entered voting age and replaced them.

Well, as on so many issues the Left sat on its hands and hoped, and the Right put their noses to the grindstone and organized. An October 10 dispatch on the Christian Newswire by Trish Teves [http://www.protectmarriage.com/article/traditional-marriage-initiative-makes-gains-with-young-voters] boasts that the Yes on 8 forces have set up a special Web site to appeal to youth directly, iProtectMarriage.com, which “directs users to MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, and BlueChowder, encouraging young people to register to vote, get informed about Prop. 8, and tell their friends to vote Yes on 8.” As a result, according to the SurveyUSA poll, voters 18 to 34 are now MORE likely than older voters to support Proposition 8 – 53 percent in favor to 39 percent opposed.

Today we face a political emergency in the Queer community. The defeat of Proposition 8 by all legal means available is our immediate priority. NOTHING – not even the Presidential election – is more important. Passage of Proposition 8 will kill the chances of same-sex marriage anywhere in the U.S. outside of New England forever – or at least long enough that no one now living will see it. The future of Queer equality will be far better if Proposition 8 is defeated and John McCain is the next President than if it passes and Barack Obama is the next President.

Accordingly, the Queer community nationwide in the U.S. should divert ALL its resources into a massive campaign to raise a war chest capable of matching that of the Proposition 8 supporters and defeating this initiative at the polls while there is still a chance to do so. Proposition 8 is the deal-breaker, the vote that will determine whether or not marriage equality for same-sex couples EVER becomes a reality in the United States. Our opponents understand that and are acting accordingly. Are we?

Mark Gabrish Conlan

Publisher, Zenger’s Newsmagazine
http://www.gaylesbiantimes.com/?id=13302

122 Comments:

  • At October 22, 2008 3:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It is about time that the American church woke up and listened. Well said Dutch! It is all about Godly principles and doing the right thing. It is not about race or the right or left. How does each candidate stand for Godly principles that will restore this nation to being the light on the hill. While we thank God for his mercy, let us not abuse it.

    Hopefully we will have some good discussion on here and the anti-God camp will not hijack this blog like the others.

     
  • At October 22, 2008 4:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Will anyone pray that Obama changes his position on the abortion issue?

     
  • At October 22, 2008 5:10 PM , Anonymous Mad as anything said...

    Obama needs to change his position on more than the abortion issue. He needs to lose his homosexual advisors, his transgendered advisors, his pro baby killing advisors. The change that his is advocating is the change that has destroyed other nations.

     
  • At October 22, 2008 5:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Another great "sounding of the alarm". Thank you Steve and Dutch! Your voices are strong and clear. We agree in prayer and in Jesus name. We now also know that if McCain wins it will be an outright miracle of God. Maranatha!!!!

     
  • At October 22, 2008 6:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    We thank God for leadership from Steve and Dutch inspired by the Holy Spirit. We commit to continue to pray fervently, sacrifically along with our intercessory group. Thank you for SOUNDING THE ALARM. we see this election as a tipping point for this nation and are believing God to step in with His abundant mercy.

     
  • At October 22, 2008 6:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Rev. Strang,
    Thank you so much for this information. My spirits were lifted tonight as I read this. I know people are hurting in our country but we have to vote Biblical principles. We have to repent and seek God for our nation. Then God will take care of the pocketbook issues. If we don't choose this day to serve God, the price of gas,401k, houses, even jobs won't matter.

     
  • At October 22, 2008 8:46 PM , Anonymous cameron said...

    To the poster above:

    Stephen Strang is NOT a reverend.

    Just sayin'

     
  • At October 22, 2008 9:31 PM , Blogger daly.de.gagne@gmail.com said...

    Regardless of whether one agrees with Dutch Sheets' view on the election, it is ludicrous to compare Sarah Palin to Esther of the Bible. Sarah has demonstrated her lack of qualifications and knowledge, something that Republicans increasingly are increasingly concerned about.

    It remains unclear exactly what her faith convictions are. And the news out of Alaska leads to questions about her integrity.

    On the other hand, the Esther of the Bible was a strong, courageous, intelligent woman who was decisive, and whose actions saved the Jewish people.

    Sarah is perhaps the least qualified candidate in history from either party to run on a presidential ticket. To compare her to Esther is disrespectful and ignorant. You can do better than that Dutch -- I know because I have read and liked some of your books.

    Once again thinking evangelicals and charismatics are embarrassed by the far right wing agendas of some church leaders.

    Daly

     
  • At October 22, 2008 11:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Pray about the election. I've done that. I've asked God to forgive me for blindly following those corrupt republicans all these years, and have asked him to guide me in better judgement. I believe He has given us a better choice this time. My vote goes to Obama.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Fast and Pray for Nov 4. "But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting." (Matt 17:21). I have heard very little about FASTING for McCain/Palin ticket. A lot of comparison between Palin and Esther: time for 3 day Esther Fast. Believers, let's FAST and PRAY until Nov 4. Then we move mountains. Amen.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 3:19 AM , Anonymous The Emrys said...

    Maybe you ought to read Isaiah 58 before you fast, particularly verses 4 and 9...

     
  • At October 23, 2008 7:56 AM , Blogger jlmb said...

    This post has been removed by the author.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 8:06 AM , Blogger jlmb said...

    Isaiah 58 verses 4 & 9 read in context basically state that our motives for fasting determine whether or not God recognizes it. If fasting is done for outward appearance only, but our heart and motives are far from God, how can God hear? In verse 3, the people were outwardly fasting, but behind the scenes they were still conducting business and extorting from workers. Verse 4 then states that fasting in that manner will not cause your voice to be heard on high. No matter what our words or actions, God knows our heart and our motives. If fasting is done from the heart and is focused on seeking God's will, God WILL hear! God bless!

     
  • At October 23, 2008 8:28 AM , Anonymous The Emrys said...

    Verse 4 of Isaiah 58 says that the people were fasting for strife and debate. Verse 9 says not to point fingers and speak vanity i.e. smear people. There has been way too much of that going on.

    Fasting to win an election? Why have a democratic process if you are going to invoke God's help? Why not just have a Theocracy and be done with the ballot?

     
  • At October 23, 2008 9:01 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Few noticed when in June presidential candidate Sen. John McCain talked with McClatchy Newspapers about his faith. Every candidate gets these questions, and McCain has never previously effused on Christianity. At the time, McCain said he was an Episcopalian, though he and his family have for years attended North Phoenix Baptist Church, a Southern Baptist congregation. So you can forgive reporters if they were a little surprised to hear McCain finally describe himself as a Baptist during a recent campaign stop in South Carolina.

    McCain said he enjoys North Phoenix Baptist because he considers "the message and fundamental nature more fulfilling than I did in the Episcopal church." There's just one catch: McCain has so far refused the eponymous Baptist symbol. His wife and two his children have been baptized, but McCain has not. "I didn't find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs," McCain explained. Nor did his pastor regard baptism by immersion to be a requirement for church membership.

    "Christianity Today"
    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/septemberweb-only/139-52.0.html

     
  • At October 23, 2008 9:04 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Palin is not qualified to be President. Therefore, she is not qualified to be Vice-President.
    Subject closed.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 9:44 AM , Blogger Billy Bruce said...

    I was agreeing with my wife about this election. Polls say one thing. People get a phone call and say one thing. But when they get in that voting booth--or go to early vote and punch in the ballot choices--you really don't know how many will go one way or another. There is that very split second of decision--and in this race--where you do have a maverick Republican who votes against his party line often, practices what he preaches about pork spending, etc. And you do have the first African American with a serious chance to become the first black US President -- tied in with the economic crisis and the war on terror--the inexperienced Palin factor--the shocker of Hillary folding to a junior senator... A nuclear-arming Iran, a bolder Russia, an economic-space bound China. More than 81,000 home foreclosures in September in the US. US and foreign banks buying up bad debt and selling off America. Voters heads must be swimming.
    So when that poll visit happens for the actual act of voting--current poll results are right out the window. We really can't know how this one will go. A pen aimed at one box may check right in the other... in the blink of an eye.
    People who say they'll vote for Obama will suddenly find their selection falling to McCain's box. And of course, those who claim McCain may do the same for Obama-if just to "go with history" and elect the first US black president. Personally I think Obama is eight years too early for a presidential run. I think Joe Biden is far more ready to step in as president than Sarah Palin is realistically--regardless of whether you agree with Biden's politics. He'd make a better Chief Executive today than Gov. Palin would... today.
    But I can't seem to justify voting against McCain because of Palin. Because I have faith. I don't trust Sarah. I trust Jesus.
    I think a gay person should be able to visit their significant other in the hospital, but I don't believe there is such a thing as gay "marriage." I understand the repercussions of that re-definition well. As Christians, we should be compassionate towards all people. I have worked next to gay and lesbian people in the workplace and only show them love and compassion. That doesn't mean I condone their lifestyle at all. But if they are to see Jesus at all, it will be through His love, not our condemnation.
    That doesn't mean we have to agree to redefine morality. nor does it make me a bigot.
    So Dutch and Steve are right -- the power of prayer and its strategic relentless timing can turn this one for God's will, for the Kingdom. Whatever one's leaning be, politically or spiritually, pray for Jesus Christ to have His way.
    Billy Bruce, Valdosta, Ga.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 10:41 AM , Anonymous Harlena said...

    Our earnest prayers "avail MUCH". If the prayers of one man affected an entire nation, so can ours! (James 5:17-18)
    "Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and His arm shall rule for him...He shall feed His flock like a shepherd: He shall gather the lambs with His arm, and carry them in His bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young." (Isaiah 40:10-11)

    btw...The only reason people think that Sarah Palin is not qualified is because of the media slant. We haven't really had a chance to get to know her. She's certainly as qualified as Barack Obama! I find it quite interesting that the media rarely compares our presidential candidates. They usually prefer to emphasize Palin's inexperience rather than comparing Obama to McCain. Interesting. Nevertheless, man's definition of "qualified" is not as important as God's standard. What are the qualifications HE requires?!
    Thank you, Mr. Sheets & Mr. Strang for making that clear.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sarah Palin has problems- She does not know what her role would be as a VP. Every job I have applied for I had to know what the job entailed- why can't she remember what a VP's job is? Their are only two functions that the constitution set forths for a VP. Her little Piper (2nd grader) can answer that question probably. I'm I wrong here? Does intellect matter anymore? This is wrong, but us Christians will put the Lord in front of it and go for it.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:25 AM , Anonymous canadian detector said...

    Daly said:

    "Sarah is perhaps the least qualified candidate in history from either party to run on a presidential ticket."

    Daly please don't pretend that you are a presidential historian. Please don't.

    Stick to your small-time Canadian politics where a majority can be lost because of funding for the arts in Quebec.

    Leave the 'adult' decisions --- and the history of such --- to real Americans.

    Now, shoo, back over the border with you!

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Where was the outrage when an openly gay man was concetrated bishop while his partner was in the congregation?

    Why are we going crazy over the actions of the unsaved? They're not saved what do you expect them to act like?

    Sarah Palin is for civil unions. What is the difference? Nothing.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:38 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Wait a minute... suddenly there is something terribly wrong! Strang wants us to vote for the candidate who is more Godly??? But he said he endorsed McCain!

    Look, vote for the candidate who did NOT leave his wife and family for his younger girlfriend. Vote for the candidate who is interested in family principles. Vote for the candidate who is interested in talking about the issues, not talking about how rotten the other guy is. Vote for the man who only owns one house (and knows it). Is the USA better now than it was eight years ago? NO! It's FAR worse! Well, much was made of the faith of George W! Remember that? Did it help anything? This country is quickly going to hell and we need to vote for the man who will turn the direction around, not just pick up the ball and continue running in the same direction. That's what the records show, and they are NOT in dispute!

    As for this abortion issue... you conservatives must be kidding! NOBODY likes abortion, and EVERYBODY wishes it would never happen. EVERYBODY agrees that it is a horrible thing! But here's something equally horrible... our government legislating morality. These issues are between the individual and God. NOT the individual and God and the government. The republicans always cry that the democrats want big government, yet they have NO problem trying to legislate their personal beliefs! THAT'S BIG GOVERNMENT!

    The pilgrims did not come to America for freedom of religion... they came for freedom FROM religion! The church of England was dictating EVERY aspect of morality. Let's not become that.

    ...by the way, republicans want as many babies to be born as possible so that as soon as they turn 18, they can be marched off to war!

    Pretty Godly bunch of people, wouldn't you say?

    -Elena Romero

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:47 AM , Anonymous your brother in Christ, jim said...

    My sister Elena Romero said:

    "NOBODY likes abortion, and EVERYBODY wishes it would never happen. EVERYBODY agrees that it is a horrible thing! But here's something equally horrible... our government legislating morality."

    Elena when do stop and start legislating morality? Applying your logic quoted above, is it wrong for me to stop one man from murdering another? If I say yes, do you accuse me for legislating my morality?

    I urge you to rethink your position. People inside the womb are every bit as precious as those outside the womb.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:54 AM , Anonymous your brother in christ, jim said...

    My sister Elena Romero said:

    "Look, vote for the candidate who did NOT leave his wife and family for his younger girlfriend."

    Elena, Elena. Do you really want us to get out the scales and weigh McCain's versus Obama's (in his TWO autobiographies Obama confesses to some rather serious ones)?

    And, can I suggest that it is somewhat unimaginative of you to NOT entertain the notion that McCain long ago repented of the sins he committed against the original Mrs. McCain? He did, you know, admit at the Saddleback Forum that his divorce was the worst mistake of his life.

    If, having read the above paragraph, you so desperately want Obama to win that you go on accusing McCain of a dreadful trespass committed decades ago, can I make a suggestion:

    Give us a list of your most serious sins (and remember to go back decades) and WE will let you know if WE feel up to giving YOU absolution.

    Just vote for Obama, and leave the accusations to the Accuser of the Brethren (you heard of him, right?)

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:01 PM , Anonymous your brother in christ, jim said...

    My sister Elena Romero said:

    "Well, much was made of the faith of George W! Remember that? Did it help anything?"

    Actually, Elena, I think it did. Are you aware that, according to Bob Woodward's book, Bush at War, every cabinet meeting was begun with prayer.

    Having George Bush as president during ---

    *** 9/11
    *** two wars
    *** the Katrina debacle
    *** the faltering economy

    was somewhat disconcerting to me because I believe President Bush's poor decisions caused SOME of the problems; but on the other hand, it was comforting to me to have his hand on the tiller --- and not Gore's or Kerry's --- because I believe George Bush today bows his knee to the Lordship of Jesus the Christ.

    Someday, everyone (Gore, Kerry, Obama ... everyone) will bow their knee. I prefer to be led by those who are humble enough to do so now.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:09 PM , Anonymous Bill in DC said...

    Lefty socialists can leave the blog now. Your posts stick out like a sore thumb. It is obvious from your tone and remarks. How do I know - the love is missing.

    Yes, I have received the same email advising me to go to every conservative blog and site and cause all the disruption that I can. Yes, I heard the same instructions as you guys that "we" are to get in the conservatives face and stay there. Cause confusion and say whatever we have to in order to confuse their message. Anything to discredit the conservative agenda.

    Guess what guys, true Christians can see through all the garbage and have something that God gives called discernment. So take your bag of dirty tricks and head left and go play in your own sandbox. Lets keep this on topic about praying for God's will to be done in America.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    "Having George Bush as president during ---

    *** 9/11
    *** two wars
    *** the Katrina debacle
    *** the faltering economy

    was somewhat disconcerting"

    Bush has been blamed for the economy because the average American will not take responsibility for their own actions and like to lay the blame on someone else. The American consumer is to blame for our economy more than anyone else. Mortgages that they can't afford, houses that are too big, too many cars, plasma screen TVs, the latest Ipods, the closets of clothes, the vacations that they can't afford. And the advice that they have taken from the greedy financial "gurus" of Wall Street.

    How many people have taken out home equity loans to pay off credit card debt or taken out home equity loans to pay off the mortgage that they couldn't afford in the first place. Are they tithing? Are they giving above the tithe? Are they feeding the poor and clothing the naked? Or are they looking after number 1?

    It is easy to blame the President, but look at your own life first. Suggestions that Bush could have done to fix the economy - outlaw stupidity in personal financial matters.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:23 PM , Anonymous jermaine said...

    Does the dufus ... excuse me, Christian dufus ... above exonerate Bush of all wrong decisions during his eight years?

    If so, be prepared to do the same for Barack during the next eight.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:26 PM , Anonymous sharena malachi, irvine, ca said...

    Anonymous at 12:17 pm

    Read Jim's whole post he is on your side. Or, were you one of those children that got left behind. Reading comprehension ... it's very important.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:30 PM , Anonymous bishop eldrick greene said...

    The anon dude at 12:17 has an axe to grind. He's so proud of his financial status that he feels he must lecture everyone on economics. Get ready to pay for my messed up mortgage dude ... IN ADDITION, to tithing on your mint and cummin. Selah.

    Bishop Eldrick Green
    New Hope Missionary Temple
    Hattiesburg, MS

     
  • At October 23, 2008 12:31 PM , Anonymous bishop greene said...

    lol at Sharena

    That's telling 'em, Sister!

     
  • At October 23, 2008 1:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hey Bishop Greene. Annon dude at 12:17 here. Won't be paying for your messed up mortgage as I don't pay taxes. And to sharina. Of course I read Jim's post and I did understand it. And your post said it all - this is not about sides. Sounds like you are one of those that Bill in DC was talking about. Just here to stir up trouble. This is not about taking sides this is all about people taking responsibility for their actions. We are rapidly becoming a nation of people that want to be "looked" after and kept. The government is at fault, the government should do this, the government should do that. If people took responsibility for their own personal finances we wouldn't be in the mess that we are today.

    God gave everyone a brain so lets just use what God gave us. And no I am not bragging about the great financial situation that I am in. I am bragging though about my God who gives wisdom and understanding to those who ask for it. I am bragging about a God who looks after his children even though we do stupid things and think that we can do it better than His instruction manual says. When we follow His plans we prosper - when we don't - guess what - we tend to lose.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 2:00 PM , Anonymous bishop greene said...

    My apologies anon dude. flesh kinda got to me. you know, spirit is willing but flesh is weak. sorry brother

    lol

     
  • At October 23, 2008 2:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I am a bible believing christian and very concerned with the upcoming election for a number of reasons. The last election our spiritual leaders told us that President Bush was God's will and yet i believe that Bush has done more harm than good. He has stood for stem cell and his first choices were not the judges he ended up appointing. He said that he was pro-life but did nothing about abortion and when he had both houses the Republicans did nothing about gay marriage in my opinion it was because they did not want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. So now the other side is up in arms will McCainan dpalin really do anything about these issues or are they just telling us what they think we want to hear. For me its more about what one does and not what they say.And if they don't talk the talk where is the voice of the church to hold them accountable?? i hope i will hear the church loud and clear and not just at election time. What are churches doing in their communities about bringing anti-abortion and praying for homosexuals rather than condemining them. Please let me know because for as long as we do not have an answer then the people who are in these situations will go the other way some because they have not heard that Jesus saves even the aborter and the homosexual.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 2:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    couldnt agree with you more Bill in dc. by the way, looks like just the christians are back here. where did all the socialists go. back to their sand box? way to go bill! mcain/palin all the way.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 3:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ok, McCain was immoral. We all know that. Now he's 72.
    Obama is younger and less experienced.
    Now. Let's just vote for the smartest candidate! This time.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 3:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Bush was "God's man" last time. Didn't work too well. Do we have to wait for all of you to be unemployed and uninsured? I hope not.

    Let's vote for the most presidential, intelligent candidates. Let's pray--and this time use more common sense.

    Vote Obama/Biden!

     
  • At October 23, 2008 3:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Vote smarter -like in "Are you smarter than a third-grader?" for Sarah Palin.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 3:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Can someone please tell me in just 5 points or less exactly what Bush has done that has been so bad? During the 9/11 crisis he supposedly had the highest approval rating of any President. Now he supposedly has one of the lowest. No emotion here, I just want 5 or less simple points. An don't just say "the economy" - what has he or hasn't he done that gives him a failing grade on the economy.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 4:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    bush has tried to legislate his morality on people. if i want to watch porn i should be able to watch it. if i want to have boyfriend or a girlfriend or both at the same time i should be able to. this is a free world and i should be able to do whatever i want to. if my sister wants to have an abortion she should have the right to have one. bush has stuck his nose in my life one too many times.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 4:27 PM , Anonymous republican charismatic said...

    To anonymous at 3:48:

    1) He pre-emptively attacked another nation. Most of those allied with us in the Gulf War knew that, this time, we were wrong. They were right. Pre-emptively striking another nation is not a sign of greatness.

    2) Though I think very highly of President Bush, I am not deterred from seeing the truth about the Katrina mess. The federal government --- though not the sole bearer of responsibility --- responded in a slow and inept manner to the Katrina catastrophe. As a Republican and a prayerful supporter of Bush, I do not like admitting these things but they are true.

    3) President Bush did not build the fence on our southern border. He should be very, very ashamed of this neglect.

    4) He gave CIA director George Tenet the Medal of Honor. That is disgraceful. You see, I am not one that believes Bush and Cheney lied about the weapons of mass destruction. I do believe, however, that the CIA did a rotten job of intelligence leading up to the war. As the head of the CIA, Tenet NO WAY deserved the Medal of Honor. The intelligence 'buck' stopped at his desk.

    5) Bush nominated a woefully under-qualified Harriet Miers for Supreme Court justice. Thankfully, the Republican right wing rose up and forced him to withdraw that silly nomination.

    6) He oversaw budgets that approximated the spending habits of a drunken sailor. Like Reagan, Bush was right to cut taxes, but wrong not to fight a spending explosion.

    THAT'S WHAT HE DID WRONG.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 4:39 PM , Anonymous steve bishop said...

    wow charismatic repub.! people don't know that stuff? what the heck do they know? just the abortion issue? man this is sad.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 6:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Someone said they were sure that Bush bowed his knees to Jesus Christ.

    Good one! I see some of you folks are still on the Kool Aid.

    In November 2003, Bush told the media, "I believe that all the world, whether they be muslim, christian or any other religion prays to the same God."

    [Jesus, Buddha, Allah, a holy cow in India, for Bush its all one in the same]

    In 2004 Bush told NBC, "I believe that Christians, Muslims and all religions worship the same God. We have different roads of getting to the Almighty."

    [Seems our Christian president doesn't think much of "I am the way the truth and the life."]


    In 2002 he went on official visit to a Shinto temple, paying homage to the priest's rituals and bowing for worship and prayer in a pagan temple. A temple that Christians in that part of the world will have nothing to do with.

    Bush has the "honor" of being the FIRST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES TO HOST RAMADAN, and evoke Muhammed as a prophet, at the white house.

    If I were you, I wouldn't be too quick to claim to know who the president bows to.

    Maybe Dutch Sheets and Strang need to share what pearls of wisdom they have for the church about Bush's slide into apostasy.

     
  • At October 23, 2008 10:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I started this post with hope that the anti-God camp would not attempt to hijack the post. Looks like they have come here in full force. Just who are these people that have such a hatred for anything truthful?

     
  • At October 23, 2008 11:43 PM , Anonymous impassioned democratic charismatic said...

    Let's begin a write-in campaign: George McGovern for president!

     
  • At October 24, 2008 12:10 AM , Anonymous cyring in the wilderness said...

    It seems that this nation is made up of a bunch of fickle people. Today it is McCain, tomorrow Obama, then back to McCain, then Obama. Whoever tickles their fancy gets their vote. Whatever happened to principles people? Whatever happened to values? Say some nice things, make me feel good, and I will vote for you. Who cares if you believe in killing babies or raising taxes, or lowering taxes or starting wars. Just make me feel good and I will vote for you.

    The time is coming people that you will need to have a backbone, or you will get run over and left for dead.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 12:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    amen bro preach it

     
  • At October 24, 2008 12:12 AM , Anonymous barrington said...

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 (UPI) -- The next U.S. president will have a nearly unprecedented opportunity to reshape the United States Supreme Court, analysts say.
    With the possible retirements of three high court justices in the next four years, Democratic U.S. presidential nominee Barack Obama, especially, would be in a position to name liberals to the bench because he would be supported by a Democratic Party-controlled U.S. Congress, The Washington Post (NYSE:WPO) reported Monday.

    Walter Dellinger, a prolific Supreme Court practitioner and former acting U.S. Solicitor General, told the Post it was likely that Justices John Paul Stevens, 88, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75, and David Souter, 69, would step down in the next four years if Obama were elected.

    "President Obama is going to be able, I think, to name whomever he wishes to the court and have that person confirmed," he said.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 6:38 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    To start with I'm not American but ám African and I've keenly been following what's been happening in terms of elections in this "great nation". Am really surprised at the way the african-american believers(blacks) are saying taht they are voting for Obama(may be 'cause he's black).

    I live in Africa, southern part in particular. I want to appeal to my Black American believers to vote wisely not because one is black like them and they want to identify themselves with him so as to say that they can also rule this great nation. Yes Obama may come in as President but what I see is the downfall of this great nation at a faster rate than anticipated. why I say this is when you look in the bible how God would punish His people, He would just allow an evil king to come into power who would commit sins which will attract the wrath of God. And God is the same He doesnt change. When you look at the two presidential candidates both are not alright but I find McCain a lesser evil than Obama looking at what they stand for. How do you allow somebody who walks, lives, dines and sleeps with people of depraved(abased) minds-homos etc, to rule the nation and you say you are a child of God. People of America, Choice is given to you on 4th November between life and death, and I encourage you to choose life over death. Why? Because by this time next year, you believers (blacks especially) will be praying prayers which you can avoid now if you choose wisely. You might dismiss this as just one of those things, but you wait and watch/see what happens after this election. I don't mean to threaten you but just to advise you as a believer in the lord who's interested in the affairs of USA since my God still rules in the affairs of men.

    Wish you best as vote.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 9:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It would be wise to listen to our African brothers. They are providing oversight to many of our American churches that have pulled out of their denominations because of the whole gay marriage issue. Our nation has now become an importer of the gospel instead of an exporter. Lets now dismiss this brother just because he is not an American.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 9:35 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    i hate it when people say that sarah isnt qualified to be an esther...
    even in the bible..esther wasnt even qualified to do what she did...but God worked a miracle! sarah palin...its her time.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 9:39 AM , Anonymous cricket said...

    Okay, look, I'm not a huge fan of President Bush. I don't think he's the best president ever, and he's actually been kind of disappointing, to be honest. But this stuff that people blame him for? Come ON, people, go back to school and retake civics!

    The war in Iraq? Not illegal. He didn't have to have the UN's approval to go to war (which he did have, anyway, most of them just didn't want to be involved. Look up "food for oil scandal" to understand why.), but he DID have to have Congress' approval...which they gave. And we don't know if he "lied" or "purposely misled" or was misled himself. Or MAYBE, he was telling the truth. We don't know, do we? But let's suppose we HADN'T gone in, and Hussein really WAS developing nuclear weapons that could reach the U.S., and he bombed us. Oh, but then we'd have the whole world behind us like we did after 9/11, right? And that's what matters? WHY does it seem that it takes a large amount of death in order to get the world behind us?

    The election was not stolen. The courts upheld the Constitution, which is what they're supposed to do.

    The Patriot Act is no worse than other things that have been passed while we were at war. As a matter of fact, it's almost identical to executive orders from during the Civil War, and WWII. Were Lincoln and Roosevelt also horrible presidents? Don't think so.

    He created a government of torture? Yeah, and how many of the people who answered this have ever been to Guantanamo, hm? How many people HERE have ever been tortured, or treated like a terrorist? Anyone? And if the government wants to tap everyone's line to the point where if they hear certain key words (bomb, White House, assassination, et cetera) they can act on them, so be it. Anything to keep us safe.

    The value of the dollar and the economy have nothing to do with President Bush. Know who's mostly responsible for the economy? WE are! WE caused the Great Depression, not the president, and WE are working on causing a second one. Great job, guys! This is what happens when too many people live outside their means, just like they did in the 20s.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 10:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Is it possible that you could be praying against the will of God? Search the scriptures! (And your heart).

     
  • At October 24, 2008 2:06 PM , Anonymous curmudgeon said...

    Crickets are noisy. I hate to admit it, but I squash them.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 4:17 PM , Anonymous lol @ cricket said...

    Hey, Cricket, better listen to McCain:

    In an interview Thursday with The Washington Times, McCain spoke of Bush in tones bordering on contempt, ticking off a litany of what he said were the president’s failures.

    “Spending, the conduct of the war in Iraq for years, growth in the size of government — larger than any time since the Great Society, laying a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America — owing $500 billion to China, obviously, failure to both enforce and modernize the [financial] regulatory agencies that were designed for the 1930s and certainly not for the 21st century, failure to address the issue of climate change seriously,” McCain told the newspaper.

    “We just let things get completely out of hand,” he said of the past eight years of Republican rule.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 4:23 PM , Anonymous steve bishop said...

    Curmudgeon doesn't hate to admit that he likes to try and step on conservative thought. His leftist, socialist, dem loving attitude is plain and clear. Another Bama troll on here to stir up trouble.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 6:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Your rhetoric is completely over the top. I am a Christian, raised an evangelical, and I am tired of listening to people such as you and Jim Dobson who promote a knee jerk reaction to Obama by fearmonering. In my opinion, Christians are not marginilzed enough. We all stand up for issues such as abortion and gay rights--neither of which we have to choose ourselves. The problems go much deeper. How about speaking out against Christians who have bought into the cultural definition of succes and live in enormous homes. I have been in Sunday school class with some of these people right here in Tulsa Oklahoma. They get up and praise the Lord for helping them find houses with swimming pools. I'd like to see a great deal more attention paid to the economic issues--poverty and violence. Where are your voices? You better do some serious self-examination on these issues. Christians have turned into materialists just as much as everybody else. Be careful about supporting the GOP. They have done a good job of using Christians to promote their agenda of deregulation and perks for the wealthy. Why aren't you speaking out about these issues? Why aren't you concerned about people with no health care and the enormous loss of jobs in this country? How could you vote for George Bush, who claimed to be a Christian and then allowed Karl Rove to use his scorced earth election tactics against John McCain and John Kerry? How could you support such blatant liars over your obsession with abortion? I suggest you get out of your ivory towers and adopt as many pregnant women as you can. Feed them. Find them jobs. Help them rear their children. Make sure that they are black and come from the inner city. When you publically care about social justice for minorities and stop supporting racist candidates, I will listen to you. By the way, you are losing younger Christians today. They have a different view of the world; they care about some of the same issues you do, but they are tired of being used by one political party. I suggest you stay neutral so that you can speak out more clearly and convincingly about ALL the issues that God cares about. Read the Old Testament--it's widows and orphans.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 8:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Guys like Steve Strang
    Guys like Dr. Dobson
    are to Christianity
    as guys like George Bush are to politics.

    They are preditory in the most spiritual sense of the term.

    Example:
    George Bush won the support of a large portion of the alleged Christian community simply by
    proclaiming his anti abortion stance.
    As a result an unknown, but probable 10's of thousands of
    innocent men, woman, children, born and unborn, have suffered a horrible fate at the hands of the US war machine.
    By the way - if you think that we don't share responsibility for that, your in spiritual denial....

    If you believe in the Living God,
    you had better begin to understand
    him and not be so foolish as to segragate Gods love into the simple minded pigen hole of the American Evangelical community.

    George Bush is a preditor.
    He prayed on the passions of the American people and scored big time.

    Mr. Strand and Mr. Dobson
    are preditors.
    Like Mr. Bush they use our faith against us - cater to our spiritual fear and no doubt -
    profit big time.

    The one thread all three of these men have in common, as well as men like them, is that they are (as spiritual beings) totally lacking in those singular qualities that
    Christ preached.

    Like the Christian Church they have declined to the point where they have no arms, no legs, no eyes, no ears, just one huge mouth.........

    If you believe in the spin that Mr.
    Strang and his fellow preditors
    proclaim - ask yourself this!

    From a Christian point of view -
    How has our nation changed in the last eight years - for the better
    or for the worse.

    From a Christian point of view.
    From the point of view of Christ.

    It is time for the Christian community to stop assuming that we speak for Christ, time to stop listening to the Commercial Christian Spin Artists that have made a mockery of our faith, of our nation,of the Church.

    I for one turn my back on those preditors - and turn my eyes and ears to Christ - He is easy to find.

    He is the guy nailed to the cross,
    asking the Father to forgive the preditors of Rome - both religious, as well as the political preditors.....

    Nothing has changed.....
    I fear greatly that just in having shared my opinion - I share the "Sin of Spin".


    Matt - in Christ

    Child in the eyes of God

    Son of a US Marine
    1st. Marine Division
    United States Marine Corps

    Both of my Fathers have earned my right to say............

     
  • At October 24, 2008 8:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Mr. Strang,I sure hope that the 'alleged' comments that Yahoo news has said that you have made that besmerch Mr. Barrack Obama's character and questioning the validity of his christian faith are not true!I am choosing to give you the same benefit of doubt that a TRUE christian(as I am) would give to another fellow human being-no matter their spiritual affiliation!If I were not taking this stance,the smearing of Mr. Obama that is being said that you have done,would cause me to question your credibility as a christian 'leader'.

     
  • At October 24, 2008 8:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Lord help us! Christians praying for politi