The Emperor Has No Clothes
When I was in Canada last week on vacation, I picked up a Canadian newspaper with a full-page article about revivalist Todd Bentley titled "Bentley Bends." It appeared in the National Post on August 19, and though it put the typical secular journalist spin on anything having to do with Pentecostals or miracles, it was surprisingly gentle in telling about Bentley's fall. If you're interested in reading it you can click here.
Meanwhile ministry to Bentley continues. I'm thankful that the Christian leaders who were set over him in the June 23 "alignment and commissioning" ceremony at the Lakeland Outpouring are ministering to him behind the scenes. In an earlier Strang Report I had called on them to step up and intervene in this situation, a day or two after news of Bentley's separation was made known.
Two of the three leaders were out of the country and later challenged me via e-mail by saying that I had made it sound as if they would not do their jobs unless outsiders put pressure on them. Of course I assumed that they would do their jobs because I know they are men of integrity.
But in the rush of dealing with the situation quickly I did not contact them other than to send them an advance copy of my Strang Report. So, for what it's worth, I apologize for leaving the wrong impression. My reaction was based partly on past observations of situations in which spiritual discipline needed to be applied and those who were supposedly over the person ran for cover.
Others are e-mailing me what various people have written about the situation. If you have not read Dutch Sheets' very in-depth and thoughtful letter about Bentley and the Lakeland Outpouring, I urge you to do so by clicking here. I agree with essentially all that Dutch writes.
Someone else e-mailed me an item from the United Kingdom. We tried to get permission to use it but couldn't contact the author, so I am assuming it is all right to make this point. I was taken by the fact that the person who wrote it rightly comments that many Pentecostals believe "if it's odd, it must be God." I had never heard that expression, but I know his statement is true.
The writer also makes a comparison to the emperor in the old fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen, The Emperor's New Clothes. Because he relates the story better than I can I quote him here:
There is an old fable that should serve as a pertinent parable for today's church. The story is told of two unscrupulous tradesmen who offered to sell an emperor a quantity of material that was so exquisite that 'only those with the greatest taste and style' could see it. The emperor, not wanting to give the impression that he lacked such finesse, paid an enormous sum for the non-existent material that was then 'made' into a suit of clothes.
It was later announced to his subjects that he would be leaving the palace wearing clothes of such wonder that 'only those with the greatest taste and style' could appreciate it. The crowd, falling into the same trap as the emperor, cheered and shouted at the non-existent apparel.
The ecstasy and applause continued until a small child, who had come to the gathering late and had not heard the intimidating preamble, joined her mother and, pointing to the emperor shouted out loudly, 'Look, Mummy, the emperor is not wearing any clothes!' Only then did the bubble burst.
The e-mail I was sent is so good that I want to share some of the points the author made since I couldn't say it better myself. I wish I had been able to discover his name to give proper credit. He says, in relation to the fable:
We need the simplicity of that childlike voice in today's church.
It is the voice of people [who] refuse to accept that spirituality is "less than" if it is not accompanied by uncontrollable shaking. It is the voice of leaders who, when they see manifestations of the flesh, refuse to be intimidated by the voice of a crowd that declares that "If it's odd, it must be God" and have the courage to say, "Please stop doing that; it's silly."
Those who operate in this gift are almost universally considered to be the party-poopers of Pentecost. Their voice is universally seen as negative, and the body language of those who do not want to hear their message is always, "Why are you trying to stop us when we are having so much fun?"
Yet the Bible tells us to "test the spirits" and "weigh prophecy."
Why, with so many mature leaders present at Bentley's endorsement, was the gift not used or, given what we now know, why was there not a word of knowledge? Why was it that, as millions listened and a prophecy was given that Jesus would appear in person on the platform on a specific date, not one person expressed a word of caution? Could it be the intimidation of crowds, the awe induced by Christian celebrity or the absence of the childlike voice that needed to burst the bubble? What the church should be hungering for today is not "extreme prophetic" but "accurate prophetic."
Why is it then that some people who have gone to Lakeland are seeing things occur in their church that they had not encountered before? The answer is simple. God recognizes and responds to hunger. Leaders heard there was a fire and wanted to be warmed, heard of a well and wanted to be refreshed, and heard there was food and wanted to be fed. That God met them on their journey is yet another expression of His amazing grace.
Please share your thoughts with me about the situation. Meanwhile, pray for Todd and his wife, Shonna. Let's especially pray for Shonna, who received none of the adulation but is experiencing most of the pain.

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143 Comments:
At August 28, 2008 3:19 PM ,
Darren Tyler said...
Thanks Mr. Strang for being a voice of reason during these past few months.
I think the only thing that I wonder is if the lessons haven't really been learned. It seems that most of the folks who have said they should have known better are saying it in reference to the fact that this guy had tattoo's and pierced body parts.
I would hope that the lesson we walk away with was He was doing was for the most part was not in the Word. I'm born and raised in a Charismatic environment and believe God still does miracles. I just don't see any example in the Word of Todds methods or ideologies. To me talking with angels with names should be red flag enough.
Connecting tattoo's and piercing to someone not having a valid ministry seems to be a stretch.
At August 28, 2008 3:40 PM ,
Jenni said...
I think there are a lot of questions, many of them raised earlier by Lee Grady, that have never truly been addressed -- questions that had nothing to do with tattoos or marital problems.
Unfortunately, with all the emphasis now on these other issues, I doubt that the questions about some of Bentley's core beliefs will ever be addressed.
At August 28, 2008 3:51 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I have not been to Lakeland, just watched it several times on TV. I read the reports and praises about the Revival and was glad so many people got healed or blessed.Also how many people questioned his credibility based on tattoos, but I know God looks at the heart, not tattoos. God says in the Ampl.B. that he has tattood a picture of us in the palm of his hands....
Also separation from his wife should not cause such a wave of condemnation about him, may be lack of wisdom, because if you want a marriage to work , you need some time for your family, not just ministry.
All the other things about angels, Jesus coming on a certain day that is a different story. But if it was a deception which I do not know, millions were drowned in it, just like Jesus said in the last days it would happen. So for conclusion I would say, we should all spend more time in prayer and the Word and ask God for better discernment and listening to Holy Spirits leading.
Let's not judge T. Bentley but pray for him. That is what he needs most as a wounded soldier, because we never know when we are one.
At August 28, 2008 3:56 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I went to Lakeland once. The praise and worship was excellent and went on for 1-1/2 hours. We were all "high" from the long praise and entering. Others spoke and read testimonies for 1/2 hr. before Todd came out.
I had felt like I was very high up in a hot air balloon and the longer Todd Bentley spoke and prayed, it was like the air was being let out of the balloon and the mood definitely was deflating.
In spite of the way I felt, I went up for the altar call. I was uneasy but could not put my finger on anything. Then a man next to me in a wheel chair got up as if he'd been healed. He got up out of the wheelchair better than I could have. He had a cane and "struggled" to get to the platform.
I was then extremely uneasy about the goings on and went back to my seat, gathered my things and left. I could not shake the feeling of "unease" and prayed that if this truly was a manifestion from my Lord and Savior that I be called back to Lakeland but if it was not, I wanted no part of it.
The next day I read on Mr. Bentley's website about his angel he met with in his room. That was confirmation to me that I was right in feeling uneasy.
For months I kept hearing people talk about Lakeland and how wonderful it was. I too should have been much more confident in that still small voice that was warning me to leave - that something was not right.
I never was called back to Lakeland and I am still not sure what it was all about - whether Todd Bentley was truly saved and called by God or not.
I learned that discernment is lacking, very lacking, in many people today.
At August 28, 2008 3:56 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Mr Strang, I am an unknown pentecostal pastor-with a small circle of influence-i picked up on the Bentley issues and tried to sound a warning to those in my small circle of influence and was 'boo-ed'! There was an absolute willful ignorance of his false doctrine and new age type claims...and I was shamed and chided for speaking negatively..
I am afraid that those outside of the pentecostal circles looking in are correct in their judgment against us...we are moving away from the genuine supernatural to the wierd. God help us all
At August 28, 2008 4:00 PM ,
Ray Curle said...
What surprises me is that no one in the US pentecostal leadership appears to be questioning the validity of
Bob Jones's ministry... a large influence on Todd and others and yet his promotion of angel visitations and anyone can trip to heaven whenever they want to teachings are becoming more and more bizarre?
At August 28, 2008 4:09 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Regarding the tattoos; Todd gave a very detailed "Dark Night of the Soul" season he experienced, so I think that gives us an explanation of his tattoos. Why he chose the ones he did, well, ask him. My brother after getting saved got himself more tattoos but only this time it was scripture. Did he get more scripture tattoos? No he didn't! Does this mean he lost his salvation? No! Does this mean he's in rebellion? No he's not!!!!
At August 28, 2008 4:26 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Now would be a great time to identify some of the other flagrant errors going on in the body of Christ! Dutch Sheets said in his email letter that the "Church has been raped" - Well, I say She is still being raped by heresy of the worst kind. Why not ask Andrew Strom about the "sensual, sexual worship? experiences with Jesus" (in the spirit of course) being taught by Toronto and the Kansas City IHop Group! There is plenty of info on this on the Internet as well. I am not an apostle or a prophet, but I have discernment like any Holy Spirit believer should have. The Bride of Christ is being defiled (ultimately by Satan through false teachers) just as we near the Second Coming of Jesus when the Bride is supposed to be prepared -without spot or blemish! Please, please check it out and tell us the truth!!! Stop protecting and covering over these defilers who are spots and blemishes in the church!
At August 28, 2008 4:36 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Thank you Mr. Strang & Lee Grady for being a voice of reason in the midst of this chaos.
I can only hope and pray that as it "has hit the fan" concerning Lakeland - that the main issue will be address finally - which was a problem long before the disclosure of the Todd Bentley's ungodly behavior. May Todd turn to the Lord that he might be healed and restored for the sake of his walk with God, His wife and family, and for the sake of the entire Body of CHrist.
Meanwhile again, the problem was big and wide and serious-- and no one ever said a word.
If it was nothing more than Todd's baptising in the name of the Father, Son and BamBam it would be more than enough.
How much is the Body suppossed to put up because signs and wonders are happening? It is no wonder that the "conservatives" look at us and say that we have no regard for the word or doctrine - just signs wonders, and Holy Ghost pazzaz.
It is about time that the leadership, who wisely and publically validated and "covered" Todd, now publically set the record straight concerning the near blasphemous words Todd has spoken (and other unscripturals things he said and did).
What will happen if people start imitating Todd in his baptism methods, as they are in other areas?? If someone doesn't stand up and say loud and clear so far and now further - we will have nothing left.
Please, please, John Arnott, BIll Johnson, Peter Wagner and John Che arise and take the flack if you have to, but do that which is right. For this is something that can divide the entire charismatic camp - and can make one want to run back to the safety of being conservative! Rev. Fran Fernandez
At August 28, 2008 4:43 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I never went to Lakeland but watched God TV for about a month and then began questioning some of what was happening. I stopped watching the revival but still believed God was healing people in Florida. Then I went to see Todd in L.A. I was very sick with bronchitis and really wanted to be home in bed. I had already missed a week of work. When Todd started speaking (not praying) the spirit of God came all over me for about 5- 10 minutes and I got healed from Bronchitis. Within this time the fever I had come with left me and strength came back into my body. I too have questioned some of Todd's beliefs, but I got healed and they was no questioning that. God was in it. God does use men, despite their short comings and faults.
At August 28, 2008 4:45 PM ,
Bob Thomas said...
I've read numerous comments and explanations recently regarding Todd Bentley's style, appearance, and showmanship. I'm struck by two issues that commonly run through these articles:
1. Tattoos & piercings. That appearance to me is an immediate red flag since God is quite clear in both the Old and New Testaments that our bodies are not to be desecrated or defiled. The children of Israel were forbidden to "mark" their bodies by cutting, burning, or "printing" things on them. Today, our bodies are still the temple of God's Spirit and we are to seek maturity and sanctification in them, as well as our souls. Look at those who are deep into sin or demon possessed and what they typically do to their bodies - they mar, burn, cut, heavily tattoo, and pierce their bodies. The underlying driving force is either demonic influence/control or one's hate of his own flesh.
2. Let's be clear: the New Testament describes the spiritual gift of "discerning of spirits", not a gift of discernment. The true spiritual gift involves seeing into the spirit realm and being able to discern between Heavenly beings of God (angels, saints, etc.) or demonic spirits. The repeated use of the word "discernment" in these articles more appropriately would describe human soulish discernment/insight/feelings in the natural realm and not be appropriate for a spiritual context of divine insight into spirit beings (whether good or evil) that are behind a person's motives, sign/wonder/miracles manifested, or words spoken. It is a great distinction between the use of human intellect to "discern" something in the environment or nearby person and the manifestation of the spiritual gift "discerning of spirits".
At August 28, 2008 4:45 PM ,
Don said...
I'm glad it is, finally, possible to raise questions in the charismatic-pentecostal community about TB, without being branded a "heresy hunter."
My wife and I watched Lakeland via computer for about three months straight - delighted about the healings, and the salvations, but perplexed and worried about the near-absence (for a long time) of TB glorifying Jesus rather than "the anointing."
And, like one of the commenters above, I believe this whole thing should bring about some inquiry into the influence of Bob Jones on TB, who claimed early on that he was in almost-daily phone contact with Jones.
I've heard many stories of Bob having excellent words for people, but if Bob ever spoke words of caution or rebuke to TB, we have yet to hear of them. Their phone calls seemed to be about Emma and Winds of Change - and the June 22 - July 22 period - rather than anything suggestive of Bob having a father's role toward TB. Their excitement appeared to be much more about TB receiving healing mantles of dead men, than about preaching the gospel of Jesus with signs following.
To my regret, I pooh-poohed much of my wife's uneasiness about TB, rather than hearing in that uneasiness something from God. Thankfully, however, this entire episode drove us back into the Scriptures' testimonies of non-debatable signs and wonders, as well as into a lot of prayer.
That prayer continues - not only for the Bentley family, but that it will be possible to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ with signs following, without people seeing the signs and immediately assuming they must be demonic.
At August 28, 2008 4:45 PM ,
Marie Natha said...
Has Charisma learned this big lesson? Apparently not!
They just published an article, "San Francisco Church Draws Bay Area Christians The ‘Golden Gate Outpouring’ is heading into its third month of nightly revival meetings."
http://www.charismamag.com/cms/news/archives/082608.php
They'are assuming this thing is a revival -- again, just like they did at Lakeland.
Yet the "pastor" Brodeur of this "revival" went to see Todd at Lakeland to get the anointing and bring it back to San Francisco. And due to this "spirit" he picked up they are now getting visits from demons and thinking they're being targeted by Satan for the good they are doing. How blind can one be? When you open the door to the occult, something ugly is going to step through!! Duh!!
Here's how the article reported one of the demonic guests:
" Brodeur believes the meetings are affecting change in the San Francisco region. He said demons visited several of his leaders shortly after the meetings began this summer. In one instance, his assistant pastor woke up one night with insane, suicidal thoughts, went downstairs at 5 in the morning, sat at the kitchen table, opened his Bible, and shuddered when he saw a dark being seated across from him."
Mr. Strang - perhaps you should send some of your "discerning" leaders over there to exorcise that pastor and his staff.
Strang and Charisma by publishing this story simply verify they have NO discernment whatsoever.
At August 28, 2008 4:55 PM ,
Barry said...
I want to thank Charisma for not letting this subject of discerning the prophetic go into oblivion. For way too long the global church has been saying Amen all too often to prophetic words that were either presumptuous or very emotional, if not wrong and blatantly deceptive. As I believe in the gift of prophecy and the governmental office of a prophet we must spend more time studying the prophets and their words in scripture as opposed to flattering or tickling the emotions of a potential donor or fellow believer in a prayer line. Let's be true and integral ministers of the Word with signs and wonders following.
Years ago, a Bible teacher named Don Basham wrote a book called, "True and False Prophets". Would to God that many people would discern the difference and invest more in the character of Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah.
Cry out to the Lord for the gift of discernment.
In Him,
Barry Segal - Jerusalem
At August 28, 2008 4:55 PM ,
Anonymous said...
We need to pray for discernment and be grounded in the word like never before. Most of us had a check mark in our spirits. Thanks to Lee Grady and Strom for being a spokesman for many of us who did not speak up. I googled, researched, watched youtube on Todd. Just 2 years ago he was preaching, clean and no tattoos and making more sense.He took a break from ministry, marked and pierced himself.This to me speaks of rebellion. As soon as he came back he was put on the pulpit then highlighted worldwide through God.tv, even though he was biblically unbalanced. Where was his accountability? Where is our sense of discernment? We need to be grounded in the word so as not to fall into traps of deception. God have mercy on us.
I do pray for God's grace to reach Todd and his family. May he be grounded on solid ground and may we walk in wisdom and discernment as children of God so as not to bring reproach.
Holy cow, now they are anouncing a lakeland 2 outpouring.
At August 28, 2008 4:59 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I,ve known god all my life and when I met todd I had never experienced the holyspirit as I did,the anointing and the power that came through me to touch and heal people..I personally know todd and shonnah and their children.I love them all. But as personally knowing them I hid My eyes from the problems they had 3 years or more ago. They were human too with problems in the house so I ignored it all but realy deep inside I could sense something not right in my spirit too.No man of god like todd in his position should be acting the way he was.I was confused and just let it go and continued to follow him.Todd has done so much good in lives especially mine and my heart aches for him, shonnah and the kids.I will not judge him.He is my friend and gods child. This is between GOD and Todd now.True humbleness has to happen now.I,m numb from all of this but grateful that we have a god who will take care of it..Shonnah and the kids are feeling as though their world has been torn apart but will come through this. Please pray for shonnah and todd..I love them both
At August 28, 2008 5:02 PM ,
Francis said...
I was blessed by the Lakeland Revival. It challenged me to go out an witness the Gospel and pray for the sick like Jesus did. Todd never claimed to be Jesus, but he did what the early disciples did and what most church leaders are afraid to do because they may seem foolish. I continue to share my faith and pray for the sick. Todd was bold enough to preach. My heart goes out to him. So many Christian leaders spoke critical of him instead of preaching with fire in church on Sunday morning. I still look at some of the clips to see that people can be Baptized in the Holy Spirit. Most churches don't preach and pray in the Holy spirit. At Lakeland Todd allowed the Holy Spirit to come with power and thus miracles....and power. The truth is that most of our Sunday morning worship services are 1.5 hours without miracles. Todd would often say go back home and start a fire...I belive that is what we should do start doing what Jesus and the early disciples did ...turned the world upside down for Christ..Prayer, living holy, Filled with the power of the holy spirit and witness...simple bible but not very popular in the modern day american church....I'm planted in a local church...and the Revival in Lakeland blessed me and my family an showed the world that you can have firey pentecostal services where people are healed, delivered and filled with holy spirit during a church service....bless and heal todd and his wife
At August 28, 2008 5:04 PM ,
michael said...
IN REGARDS TO WHAT WENT ON DURING THE LAKELAND OUTPOURING I HAVE THIS TO SAY: TODD IS NOT GOD AND GOD MOVED IN SPITE OF THE WEAKNESS OF TODD'S FLESH AS GOD HAS DURING MANY OTHER TIMES DURING SOME GREAT REVIVALS OF THE PAST 2000 YEARS OF CHURCH HISTORY.
A CAREFUL STUDY OF BOTH 1&2 CORINTHIANS REVEALS THAT THEY HAD THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT, ALL OF THE 5-FOLD MINISTRY INCLUDING THE OFFICE OF THE PROPHET, AND YET IN THE MIDST OF THE SUPERNATURAL, SIN WAS PRESENT IN THE CHURCH THERE AND IT DID NOT KEEP GOD FROM DOING HIS THING. JUST READ 2 CORINTHIANS 12:19-21. AS BAD AS THESE THINGS WERE, GOD STILL MOVED IN THE HEARTS AND LIVES OF SINCERE CHRISTIANS IN THAT CHURCH.
JESUS SAID,"WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED TOGETHER IN MY NAME, I AM THERE IN THE MIDST OF THEM."
THERE WERE SOMETIMES AS MANY AS 10,000 PEOPLE GATHERED TOGETHER IN JESUS' NAME DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE LAKELAND REVIVAL.
JUST BECAUSE TODD MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SHOWED UP AT TIMES, JUST BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN IN ERROR IN SOME OR MANY AREAS, DOES NOT MEAN THAT GOD DID NOT SHOW UP AND DO GREAT AND MIGHTY THINGS FOR THE HUNGREY WORSHIPERS WHO WERE FULL OF FAITH TOWARD GOD.
AS THE SCRIPTURE SAYS, "WHERE SIN DOTH ABOUND, GRACE DOTH MUCH MORE ABOUND". AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I PERSONALLY KNEW WHO ATTENDED THE MEETINGS THERE.
IF YOU THINK GOD CAN'T USE MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD WHO HAVE FEET OF CLAY AS WELL AS SOMETIMES SINS OF THE FLESH, THEN YOU NEED TO READ THE BOOK, "GOD'S GENERALS" BY ROBERTS LIARDON. I WON'T NAME ALL OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED IN THAT BOOK, BUT THEY "ALL" MESSED UP IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THEY STILL ACCOMPLISHED MORE IN THEIR LIFETIMES THAN ALL OF THEIR CRITICS PUT TOGETHER EVER DID. (LIKE TODD BENTLEY HAS IN THE PAST 10 YEARS OF HIS MINISTRY.)
YES HE WAS WRONG TO DO THE WRONG THINGS THAT HE DID. BUT WHAT HE NEEDS MOST OF ALL NOW IS DELIVERANCE AND RESTORATION. WHY?
BECAUSE THE GIFTS AND CALLINGS OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, GOD DOESN'T CHANGE HIS MIND ABOUT WHO HE CALLS.
MANY BRAGG ABOUT THE GREAT WELSH REVIVAL IN WALES WHERE GOD USED A YOUNG MAN NAMED EVAN ROBERTS. BUT HAVE YOU EVER READ ABOUT WHAT CAME OUT AFTER THE REVIVAL WAS OVER ABOUT THE "DOUBLE LIFE" AND
"SECRET SIN" THAT HE WAS ENGAGED IN DURING THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE REVIVAL WAS GOING ON? IT DIDN'T HINDER GOD ALL FROM SAVING MULTIPLIED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN SPITE OF EVAN ROBERTS "SINS OF THE FLESH".
AND IT DIDN'T HINDER GOD FROM SAVING AND HEALING ALL THOSE THOUSANDS DURING THE LAKELAND REVIVAL EITHER.
DR. MICHAEL WILLIAMS
At August 28, 2008 5:18 PM ,
Ronald D. Erickson said...
If people were really healed and raised from the dead, is that now being evaluated the result of demonic activity? Anyone who gives a serious read of the life of Jesus of Nazareth will know He was the center of controversy. There were even 70 disciples whom disqualified themselves from God's Man because they could not see the forest because of the trees, so to say. As far as angelic names are concerned, why are there angelic names in the Bible if it is not important to God? I for one want the angels of God on my side as Elijah did since God is greater than Satan and his kind.
At August 28, 2008 5:29 PM ,
steve said...
The Lord uses many imperfect people to do His work. On the other hand, he expects obedience and holds leaders to a higher standard. This goes beyond Todd Bentley. The anointing is of little value if the servant has not developed personal character. Review all the situations of immoral failure in charismatic/Spirit-filled leaders just in the past 18 months. And for most of them, they go right on ministering as if nothing happened!
We have a "character" crisis in the charismatic/Penteocostal/Spirit-filled churches in America. We need leaders to stand up and require that our leaders develop character. If we don't, we may lose the anointing and favor we have. And when leaders have a moral failure (including being involved in a divorce, either party, as it takes two people to get to that point regardless of who ends up being the culprit), they should be forced to step down by their leaders and take an extended break, more than one year, and get restored, not just go on ministering and advertising as if nothing happened.
Christian media, including Charisma, TBN and the like are partly to blame as they continue to let these leaders operate without repentance and time for restoration. They don't require or look for character in these folks, just the potential "anointing". And they are quick to blame leaders who have developed character for it when others fall rather than take responsibility and take away these leaders' platforms. We have fallen for this myth that the Holy Spirit cares more about anointing and ministry than he does about obedience. He doesn't! And blaming the enemy is a cop-out. Jesus never legitimized human disobedience because of Stan's influence or power.
As I've said, we have a character crisis in our churches, and not just among pastors and worship leaders. We could learn a lesson from our evangelical brothers and sisters about obedience without having to run frightened from a legalistic viewpoint.
I challenge all our national leaders to develop methods to develop and test character in our spiritual leaders, not just the level of their anointing or their level of popularity. Leaders need accountability with known and defined consequaences. We also need to teach them to proactively deal with sin issues in their life before it results in their moral failure, which severely hurts Jesus Christ and His church.
When are we going to say as leaders of this movement, "enough is enough!" Dutch Sheets was right on, but the way.
At August 28, 2008 5:30 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I say a hearty "Amen" to your comments Dr. Williams. The Lakeland events were not done by or for Todd Bentley. And who knows now why he is seperated from his wife? I am a therapist and have seen many marriages that were saved from divorce by properly managed seperations. Let's not trash Lakeland because Todd and spouse, two very human beings, are having problems.
At August 28, 2008 5:34 PM ,
Jon Rising said...
Stephen,
I was alarmed at your upbeat report of the happenings at Lakeland in your May 22 posting on the Strang Report. You said:
"It's exciting to see what's happening in Lakeland. In my 32 years of covering the charismatic movement, I've never seen any 'revival meeting' get so much attention so fast. Everyone, it seems, is talking about it. A long line of respected leaders have attended the meetings to see it for themselves. Most have come away saying it's a genuine move of God."
I am very, very thankful that the vast MAJORITY of full gospel believers had serious reservations about what was happening in Lakeland and would NOT have considered traveling to Lakeland.
Glad to see that you have joined them.
At August 28, 2008 5:35 PM ,
Mark E. said...
I haven't read the other posts, so I'll probably be duplicating some thoughts already expressed.
"Why wasn't there discernment?" That is indeed the question that is being asked and which must be answered if the future is to be any more secure and lastingly fruitful than the recent past. Some began asking that question months ago. Those people were not received then and they're still not being received.
John Arnott posted a comment to the effect, 'If only we had known, perhaps we could have intervened before it got to a crisis stage.' Again, 'Where was discernment?'
I, too, read Dutch Sheets letter and I do appreciate his courage, initiative and forthrightness. He painted a clear and accurate picture of our current condition as American Christians. He and others have stated that they don't want or need to listen to the 'I told you so' crowd, that such comments are not helpful.
Well, the 'I told you so' crowd had more discernment than the people widely regarded as prophets. What does that tell you?
If God said to stone prophets for saying empty words, where is the discipline, from the Lord or from Christian leaders for contemporary 'prophets' who receive honor from men based on their percentage of prophetic accuracy being better than someone else's? When was the standard of 100% accuracy or death rescinded? It's probably an outgrowth of the disappearance of the fear of the Lord.
I read that 'mistakes were made.' It goes much deeper than mistakes. Our Biblically deficient Christian culture has been many years in the making. Now it has produced Lakeland and Todd Bentley with all the sadness and disillusionment. It has also produced an ingrown group of people who refer to themselves and each other as apostle and prophet.
Who will come into the spotlight next? The antichrist? Maybe. Will there be widespread discernment concerning the 'man of sin?' I'm beginning to doubt it. I fear many Christians will be deceived.
Many want to make 'adjustments'. Whatever has been built on a bad foundation cannot be adjusted. It must be torn down or abandoned. The true Cornerstone must be found and given the honor due Him. Paul was a wise masterbuilder because his eyes were fixed on Jesus.
Let's turn from men and titles and get back to the ONE Whose church we are.
Mark Elam
At August 28, 2008 5:37 PM ,
Jon Rising said...
Stephen,
I was alarmed at your upbeat report of the happenings at Lakeland in your May 22 posting on the Strang Report. You said:
"It's exciting to see what's happening in Lakeland. In my 32 years of covering the charismatic movement, I've never seen any 'revival meeting' get so much attention so fast. Everyone, it seems, is talking about it. A long line of respected leaders have attended the meetings to see it for themselves. Most have come away saying it's a genuine move of God."
I am very, very thankful that the vast MAJORITY of full gospel believers had serious reservations about what was happening in Lakeland and would NOT have considered traveling to Lakeland.
Glad to see that you have joined them.
At August 28, 2008 5:39 PM ,
Therese said...
Hello,
Thank you for your great insight on this situation. I wholeheartedly agree with your assessments and suggestions. The root of the matter, though, is PRIDE. Why did the emporer in the story cited buy into the scam? Because he could have something because he was so special; more special than anyone else.
Pride, pride, pride. Pull out the root of pride, cut it up, burn it and toss the ashes into the wind. Then watch and see true revival! Then only our Lord Jesus will get the glory, that he rightly deserves. (Jeremiah 9:24)
In Christ, Therese from Pennsylvania
At August 28, 2008 5:45 PM ,
Anonymous said...
If you believe that men like Wagner, Sheets, Bob Jones, and others who were a part of that debacle and on the stage at the commissioning were genuine "leaders", genuine apostles, and genuine prophets, then you are as deceived and deluded as they are. And this talk of "integrity"! I know atheists who have integrity. Gandhi had integrity. But integrity is not the test one uses to judge a message. One uses scripture to judge a message, as the Bereans did, to judge the message of a great man of integrity, i.e. the Apostle Paul, to see if what he preached was true with the scriptures. These men and women are false apostles and false prophets. They are wolves in sheep's clothing for the false message they preach irregardless of their "integrity". But now I see them backtrack and Wagner lie about the extent of his involvement with Bentley. Wagner now claims that he did not endorse Bentley and hardly knew him. Well take another look at the commissioning video. The man is lying. His true "integrity" is showing itself. He is no apostle and neither are you Mr. Strang. You're all frauds, i.e. self appointed self anointed "apostles" and "prophets". And you & company may claim leadership, but you and yours are no leader or leaders of mine and you and yours never will be. With Wagner's Dominionist Kingdom "theology" and Joel's Army "theology", I suspect he and his will help only to usher in the anti-Christ. The "Kingdom of God" that Wagner and the I.C.A, along with Bob Jones and others, is not the true Kindgom of God, but of men and the "god" of this world.
At August 28, 2008 5:56 PM ,
Joel and Kathy said...
Stephen,
Please contact those leaders regarding www.GodSaveMyMarriage.com
Helping severely wounded marriages find restoration; is what we do full time.
We have attempted to reach the Bentleys through various means without success.
Thank you,
Joel and Kathy Davisson
www.GodSaveMyMarriage.com
At August 28, 2008 6:00 PM ,
Anonymous said...
It saddens me that another leader has fallen into immorality. At the same time, it angers me that some are just now giving their discernment, Grady and Strang, about an overemphasis of angellic encounters, unusual manifestations, etc. It's interesting to hear the call for the need for discernment from men who publish books and articles on angelic encounters, ghosts inhabiting houses, generational curses, and other unbiblical issues. Perhaps, Charisma and its publishing arm need to follow their own advice and re-examine their own theology.
At August 28, 2008 6:09 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Mr. Strang;
I will say what some others are saying and that is why arent the ICA Apostles accountable for their false prophecies over Todd?
You seem to speak the truth about Todd and such but why are you afraid to speak the truth about Peter Wagner and his friends? Do you honestly think that Wagner is an apostle and is only accountable to God and no one else? Are you really afraid of Peter Wagner?
Until you can speak the truth about Wagner and his bodies you are no better than the rest of the crowd who is cheering about the fake clothes.
At August 28, 2008 6:27 PM ,
Darren Tyler said...
Out of curiosity, and nothing more than that... is there some sort of verification of the healings and the people being raised from the dead? I'm not talking about one of the dubious shorter leg than the other being healed or the guy getting up from a wheel chair but still limping around, but actual verifiable evidence of a real live healing happening at this "revival"?
At August 28, 2008 7:18 PM ,
Dale said...
This is why so many moves of God die out... we are all too willing to say "see, it couldn't have been God... look at what happpened!" Jesus said you will know a genuine work of God by its fruit. Rather than focusing on tattoos, piercings and Todd Bentley's marital problems to define whether or not the Lakeland outpouring was really of God, we should be examining the fruit that has come from it. A bad tree will not yield good fruit, and vice versa. Let's face it, God has chosen to work through humans, and humans are going to fail. The question is, when failures happen and shortcomings are revealed, do we pray, forgive and restore, or do we judge, condemn, and throw stones??
At August 28, 2008 7:32 PM ,
Onesimus said...
Mr Strang said: “Meanwhile, many people are talking about the situation and wondering why there wasn't more discernment.”
I think there was PLENTY of discernment shown regarding this situation – but it was shown by many who were ridiculed and abused because they dared to speak out against the “revival”. It was shown by many who don’t have prominent and dominant positions of authority. It was shown by many who don’t have a celebrity platform to maintain, who don’t have financial interests to put at risk.
Forget the tattoos and piercings – those objections are mere distractions in comparison to the blatant false doctrine and false prophetic that drove these meetings.
Unfortunately, this “revival” won’t be the last of its type. The boundaries have been pushed and those who blindly rushed to this will blindly rush to the next (and more extreme [Beware of the “New Mystics”!]) Charismatic circus. And once again the celebrity “apostles” and “prophets” will try to jump on the bandwagon.
Why is it that so many celebrity preachers could only see the problems with Bentley’s ministry AFTER his sin was exposed [please note it is SIN and not “mistakes” as so many are saying]? Why weren’t the problems of his doctrine and practices seen and questioned by these celebrities? Could it be that these men and women are too ignorant of the scriptures and only judge things by popularity or by the spectacle on offer?
Some of those now speaking out (Mr Grady and Mr Strang included) are calling for people to get back to the scriptures. How beneficial would it have been if the scriptures had been adhered to in the first place!
Wake up church – we are living in those days prophesied in scripture, where people would no longer tolerate sound doctrine. Ask yourselves – who are the false prophets false teachers and false christs (false anointed ones) that Jesus warned us about? Many of those associated with Lakeland and in particular its “Alignment and Commissioning” ceremony fit every description. Just check out the “prophecies” that were spoken about Bentley and compare their “success” rate with the required success rate recorded in scripture.
Mr Strang said: “Meanwhile ministry to Bentley continues. I'm thankful that the Christian leaders who were set over him in the June 23 “alignment and commissioning” ceremony at the Lakeland Outpouring are ministering to him behind the scenes.”
Please see my previous paragraph. These leaders are a major part of the problem. They prophesy falsely. They teach falsely and their authority is self-appointed. If they are truly anointed and prophetic men of God – why didn’t they see and address the problems with Bentley’s doctrine and practices PRIOR to the public exposure of Bentley’s sin? Did they not recognize the error? Or were they more concerned with protecting their own interests and those of their friends instead of protecting vulnerable and immature saints from the error being spread around?
All of the public announcements being made by these men and women are merely attempts to cover their own tracks and distance themselves form the fall out. Todd Bentley would do well to turn away from these wolves and find some REAL men and women of God to lead him to the truth. Real men and women of God who live in quiet and obedient humility and not in the spotlight of celebrity.
At August 28, 2008 7:41 PM ,
Larry said...
As a youngster to the Pentecostal movement in th mid fifties, I was told that where there is fire there will also be wildfire. This age and time frame convince me more than ever that there is much truth in this pronouncement. God and the living body of Christ, His Church, have to be appalled and disgusted by recent events. I did not attend the Lakeland meetings, but prayed daily for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and praise God for those genuinely touched. Can we quickly get past this debacle? Probably not! I want so much to move beyond this through prayer and fasting as the enemy is having a field day with all our conjectures, prophetic abuses, and finger pointing. I cry deeply for repentance, forgiveness, healing and restoration.
Larry
Tarpon Springs, FL
At August 28, 2008 7:45 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Steve,
It is all so deeply troubling...
I am really glad that you are not allowing this situation to be "swept under the rug" because the issues of possible heresies, little discernment, and rare warnings by National-level shepherds are so much larger and go beyond Lakeland. It's really scary that only a few could see plainly and sound a truly clear alarm like Robert Ricciardelli. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm grateful that some were questioning, but we really needed a sound of sure clarity. Robert was almost a lone voice who had moved BEYOND questioning and spoke with utter clarity. His words were truer than any prophet who was part of the Lakeland Commissioning. Honest Questions are great, but there comes a point where leaders should have moved beyond questioning into clarity. To just stay in a state of questioning results can lead to inaction and confusion. I'm not exalting Robert; he readily admits that he hasn't always been right. But isn't it deeply troubling that Robert was a voice of "rare air", while a few were guardedly questioning, and most said either nothing or appeared to endorse the event? Something is really wrong, don't you think?
Thanks for highlighting the plea for repentance that was issued by Dutch Sheets. I am very concerned that this will be glossed over. It would be so beautiful if these men would truly humble themselves publicly and unconditionally repent for violating 1 Timothy 5:22 I'm not really sure that we will be able to heal properly without this essential step. If leaders can't be humble and readily admit mistakes publicly, then everything else that they do has a hollow ring to it. It's been a week since Dutch issued this challenge for public repentance. I'm still hoping and praying that they and others will publicly apologiize. Let the healing begin.
Dan-o
At August 28, 2008 8:06 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Where is love and compassion? Many people were healed and many trained to go out and win souls? Can't any of you give credit where credit is due?
It is very easy to kick a guy when he is down. The Bible says restore some one lest you fall.
It sounds like some of you have a touch of pride yourselves.
At August 28, 2008 8:10 PM ,
Believer said...
I think you guys should have read the Charisma comments for the past three months that are now deleted under General Discussion Forum, because the lay people knew more than the ICA ministers did, and told you. We are not dumb. And I have been posting warnings about Patricia King and her bizarre "mortuary ministry" and more bizarre manifestations and teachings, yet many churches now are embracing her, especially in Phoenix, as if all her "odd" is "God." It's a sad, sad, state of the church! People wake up and do your online research, and compare their teachings to the Bible.Don't rely on experiences or emotionalism!
At August 28, 2008 8:14 PM ,
gracecoveredsinner said...
The Lord alone knows each heart which one of us claims this ability now? I can cast no stone to anyone lest alone Todd Bentley. However I can pray for him and in this do what Jesus showed each one to follow Him in doing. Jesus came first to bring healing and restoration of the souls of men to the Father (God's gift of grace through Jesus sacrifice) the next time He will come in judgment so until then I will rest in the grace He alone freely gives to all who call out to Him and open their hearts and hands to receive it of which I am just one sinner who chooses grace for all. Yes and in reverent fear of the judgment that will come those not found in His grace alone they alone will experience judgment as they so judged now.
At August 28, 2008 8:16 PM ,
Anonymous said...
The Tatoos and the piercings were a DEAD-GIVE-AWAY. While ignorant Christians try to dismiss these clear markings of rebellion and the influence of the world, and slander such people as "religious" etc, sadly, we get to say SEE, WE TOLD YOU SO! Appearance DOES matter. Everything we do or don't do DOES matter. Todd Bentley is a WORLDLY individual, corrupted by Rock Music, like millions of others, and the degenerate sub-culture that comes with that music--tattoos and piercings, sloppy dress, etc. A steady diet of Hell-o-vision has carnalized most Christians in America as well, and it was clear Todd was on a steady diet of that medium as well, especially Professional Wrestling. which is VERY CORRUPT and Christian has any business watching.
At August 28, 2008 8:21 PM ,
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At August 28, 2008 8:26 PM ,
Anonymous said...
While I appreciate Mr. Strang's comments now, and in all due respect, I am troubled that the same person that is sounding the alarm is often the same person glorifying the fallen leaders before they fall.
Mr. Strang, how many times has your magazine featured fallen evangelists and church leaders on the cover prior to their fall? You even appear on their shows and networks--the very shows and networks where they are doing some of the very "if it's odd, it must be God" things after you walk off the stage. You are even aware of some of the problems beforehand and feature them anyway.
I don't see how you can be the leader of change if you glorify people one day because they're the current "it" person and then lead crusades against them the next day, once they've fallen and can't help your magazine or other publications anymore.
Before you lead change, you have to change how you're operating your own publishing empire.
At August 28, 2008 8:36 PM ,
Jon Rising said...
anonymous (from 8:26 p.m.),
Stephen Strang owes you and all of his subscribers an answer; not necessarily in this forum, but an answer is owed.
Failing that, it seems likely that eventually there will be magazine arise that will take Charisma's place, just as it took the Logos Journal's place.
At August 28, 2008 8:58 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I dont know anything about Mr. Bentley or the Lakeland Revival, but lets stop laying blame. He needs help and it is not coming from the media or everyones opinion in the polls. I just finished reading a book for school that is talking about how we defame each other but does not lift a finger to help. It is not about the tatoos or the miracles or anything that may have happened in that revival. It is about God and what He is able to do. He will use anybody to get what He wants done. Lets pray that His will is done in our lives as well as the Bentleys and the nation.
At August 28, 2008 9:00 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Thank you Mr. Strang and J. Lee Grady. I read the expose in Charisma, but I say,"too little, too late."
I moved from Tampa to TN in 7/06 because of family situations here.
My husband and I went to many revivals down there and we saw many physical healings.
Our former Pastor Billy Burke has been anointed by God for a healing and deliverance ministry. He never did any of the outrageous things in his crusades and services that Todd Bentley did. Pastor Billy has documented proof from a lot of people who were healed in those services.
When we watched Todd B. on the internet, we were absolutely horrified to see and hear the things that Todd was saying and doing. In one service, he was calling out for God to send down the angels and he did this repeatedly. Why? The Bible warns us that we are not to worship the angels. His angel, "Emma" is a demonic angel.
What we saw and heard let us know right away that this was demonic.
However, there were many innocent and hungry people wanting God to heal and to save them. I believe that God did just that, in His mercy, grace, and compassion.
There is another side to what happened in Lakeland.
I learned years ago about witches covens being located in and around Lakeland, Winter Haven, and up through to the Orlando area.
Many of them have infiltrated the churches, the hospitals, different businesses, etc.
Not many people are willing to talk about this issue because they are afraid they will be chastised and ridiculed. I have personal knowledge of two women who have been in the covens for many years and they have told me of some of the activities they get involved in. Is wicca a religion? NO!
It is a cult and as such they have their own gods.
My point in revealing this is to let people know that there are things going on that seem, on the surface to be okay, but when you test the spirits and study the scriptures to see if things line up with God's Word, and they don't, then, as Christians, we have a duty to stand up and use the discernment that we should have. We need to be bold like Paul was bold.
In other words, why can't we just take a stand and very loudly challenge what is being said and done?
At August 28, 2008 9:09 PM ,
Joseph said...
I am not trying to defend Todd Bentley and I am also not condemning him. I believe that he is a man of God and has been used in mighty ways for the Kingdom. I feel that he lacked wisdom in spending too much time in ministry and not with his family. He certainly messed up when he developed an "emotional relationship" with a woman other than his wife and with the drinking. He should have taken steps to deal with all of these issues much earlier.
I pray for Todd and his family and ministry to be restored to even greater than it was before.
As to those who became Todd's covering... It is easy to say that they should have had discernment or a word of knowledge before commissioning him but what about all of the church "leaders" who expressed discomfort or disagreement with Todd and the Lakeland Outpouring while it was going strong? Why didn't they receive a word of knowledge about his marriage or the drinking? I only heard them expressing discomfort with his style, appearance or doctrine. Apparently they all had great discomfort but no real discernment or else they would have heard from the Lord and gone either to Todd or the body of Christ with their word of knowledge concerning these now uncovered issues.
And just maybe it was the right thing to do - commissioning Todd - thereby bringing him into alignment and making it easier for these men to correct, disciple and restore him because he placed himself under them just in time - for such a time as this.
Again, I am not totally defending Todd and what he has done but many seem to be missing the real point here.
It's not about a ministry or a church or a movement or an outpouring. We are dealing with people - Todd and Shonnah Bentley and their children. It's a marriage, a family. I keep hearing about how this brings such reproach to the body of Christ and how much damage this could do to the church. Don't think that one man's failures are going to bring the church down. It will take more than this to bring reproach to the Name of Christ. He will defend and vindicate His Name. I am not saying that we should do nothing or just not worry about it or that we should not hold ourselves to high standards. I do believe that many are not really as worried about reproach to the Name of Christ or the church as they are reproach or disdain for their own ministries. ("What will people say about us?") God is not as concerned with reproach to the church or His Name as He is with the lives and hearts of the Bentley family. Again, He will defend both His church and His Name and both will continue to stand strong. We need to stop worrying so much about the "church" and do what Jesus said: leave the 99 and go after the 1.
Lastly, whats the big deal about angels and tattoos??????
We tell our churches all the time that they better get ready for God to bring in the folks that don't look like us. We talk about the goths and punks and people covered with tattoo's coming flocking into the church during revival but we flip out when a preacher looks like that. I could see if he were preaching naked but come on... are we so stuck up and stuck in our ways that we can't get past something as small as tattoo's?
And the angels... It's ok for Smith Wigglesworth to see the devil standing at the foot of his bed but not for someone to see and speak with an angel??? Oh, I forgot, that stuff is only in the BIBLE! Daniel held conversations with angels. So did many other prophets. I have heard people say that 1) Angels do not identify themselves by name (According to the NT) and 2) Angels don't bring revelation.
Yet an angel identified himself by name to both Mary and Zacharias (NT) and gave them both revelation: both would have sons - one would be a prophet and forerunner of the Messiah the other would be the Messiah and be conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit! The NT tells us that Michael the archangel contended with Satan over the body of Moses... apparently God was not too concerned with us knowing the name of the angel.
Why can't we believe that an angel could appear to someone in their hotel room and speak to them? Is it because the experience is outside of our norm? Is it because we are jealous that we have never had the experience? Is it because we think that if something is not explicitly spelled out in the Bible it cannot be true? Or are we just ignorant of what the Bible really says? The Bible is full of angelic visitation to man. (And no, I do not accept every story of angelic visitation from every person who claims one - however I do not understand the uproar over angels in hotel rooms or angels that bring healing or prosperity, etc.)
Lastly - to say that angels do not identify themselves or bring revelation is to discount the prophets and the Old Testament yet the same people who do this so strongly want to fall back on an Old Testament passage about tattoo's. Don't pick and choose. If you can't accept the angels of the Old Testament don't use the Old Testament to judge someone on "marking their body." (And by the way - I don't really care for tattoos myself.) We can neither throw out the OT nor live by the letter of the law. Can we do ourselves a favor and stop making ourselves look stupid by throwing such a tizzy over tats and accept that we can believe in angels and interact with them without being "angel worshipers"?
Let's deal with REAL doctrinal issues, (of which I do admit Todd Bentley has some). Lets get over fear of reproach to the body and take pity on human lives, (of which the body is made up). Let us accept what both the Old and New Testament supports about supernatural encounters - that the only angelic encounter that is not to be accepted is when the angel preaches another gospel - not says something we are uncomfortable with or not expecting to hear. Perhaps if we dealt with more angels we would not have to deal with so many demons!
P.S. It is sadly true that many Pentecostal think that if it's "not odd, it's not of God." Lets just not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
At August 28, 2008 9:36 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I too went to the Lakeland Revival to see what it was all about. I too felt like something was not right but could not put my finger on what it was. Just an uneasiness. I did enjoy the worship, it was wonderfull the nights I was there. But that is about all that was wonderful. I must admit I was disapointed, everyone around me seemed to be getting in on something that I just could not get in on. Everyone seemed to be feeling the Holy Spirit, but I was not. I went up for prayer, and came back to my seat with nothing. I thought it was just me. I thought there was something wrong with me. Surely it couldn't have been everyone else. I mean the whole place seemed to be full of people who were getting touched by the Lord. I too will learn to listen to that still small voice inside of me.
When I heard about angels visiting him on a regular basis, that is when I started to figure out things were very wrong, and that is when I started to pray for the people, and for Mr. Bently. I am sorry to hear about his family situation. I pray for him also, and for all the people who were following the happenings in Florida.
At August 28, 2008 9:54 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Yes, i do think you can connect the tattoos and piercings with signs of deception as if you look at earlier video from just 18 months ago he didn't seem to have any. It's one thing to gt them before reaching maturity as a christian, or for street ministry you mgiht get some but to go as far as he did when having been a christian for so long is very concerning. He even had a picture of a dark angel--an angel dressed all in black overlooking Lakeland on his home page!! come on now--is that lack of discernment or what?!!
At August 28, 2008 10:06 PM ,
carowis said...
It is interesting to me that very few people questioned that the Holy Spirit ALWAYS does things decently and in order. I watched the revival for several nights. Many asked if I would attend. My spirit just never gave me a feeling that what was going on was of the Holy Spirit.
Having said that, I realize that there were a lot of hungry and perhaps even desperate people who attended and even came a long way for healing or other needs. Let me say that when people get hungry for something from God, they can be in a corn field, or anywhere else and God is going to answer. I beleive that the outpourings were due to the faith of the people and their earnest cries to God.
On another note, I believe it is time for the body of Christ to STOP talking about Todd's problems openly and begin to lift him up to the throne for complete healing, which includes his marriage. Do we NOT believe that God is in the healing business? This issue needs to stop being headlines in the news and begin to be a prayer vigil for a hurting part of the body of Christ. I am wounded along with Todd and his family. I grieve for them, just like one part of my physical body hurts when another part is sick. As a Mother in the body and a member of the body, God has called me to be a Mother who undergirds this situation with Prayer and Not gossip. I call on the body of Christ to put this issue to rest except in out headline petitions to God.
At August 28, 2008 10:30 PM ,
Lorna said...
One of the blessings out of this is that we have learnt once again that God will not tolerate us having idols.
And I believe the spirit of discernment will continue to rise up - along with the courage to use it (I think the latter has been missing to be honest. I do not believe that there were no words of knowledge about this - I think there was a lack of wisdom about how to voice it - I believe platform leaders were aware of the danger Todd himself was in (let alone the difficulties he was leading many of of the body of Christ in) but that big leaders lack wisdom of how to handle it.
.. hence the crowning ceremony :(
Why?
Why did they lack the wisdom/courage of how to move on
I think it's great that they are continuing to walk with Todd. They are men (and women) of integrity and I am convinced they will have repented privately for their mistakes in this.
On a personal level I almost lost my best friends because I was unwilling to embrace this outpouring. And to be honest at times I wondered why it was so difficult for me. I mean was I being put off by tattoos? I avoided most of the hype and the critisim and sought God. And still I remained unwilling to embrace it - so I put the whole thing on hold. And I was right to do so. When asked personally I gave my reservations - but encouraged people to seek Jesus for themselves. That's always the better -no best -way.
I am reminded time and time again of 1 Cor 12 - when part of the body suffers, we all suffer ... yet Paul follows this with teaching about love.
We love Todd back into the kingdom. WE love those who were deceived back into the Kingdom. We love ...
(and yes part of that love is calling sin sin and repenting for OUR part. I didn't speak up strongly. Was I called to? Where I did voice my concerns - did I give the truth in love or was my motive to pull down and destroy a person and a movement rather that the demonic forces at work? Have I done anything to alleviate the pain that many have felt after Todd's crash from the limelight, or have I merely pointed the finger and said "X was at fault" ... or "someone else should do Y,Z"
when one part suffers we all suffer but when part is honoured it's a joy for us all
the church will survive this - and it will be glorious - but that's when we start to BE the church (instead of it being merely somewhere to go to)
I confess I have made grevious mistakes in the way I have handled my reservations, I confess I have sinned against God in my attitudes to Todd, his team, and yes even the people who were duped into thinking this was a move of God - and I ask forgiveness from the body