Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Obama's "off-the-record" meeting with Christian leaders

I’ve never been invited to meet with a Democratic presidential candidate. So I was surprised when I received an invitation a couple of weeks ago to join “a small group of religious leaders, academics and faith-based organizations” to meet with Senator Barack Obama in Chicago on June 11. Since I am opposed to the leftist political stands of the Democratic Party and of Obama specifically, I didn’t really want to attend.

But I was curious what the junior Senator from Illinois would say to Christian leaders when it’s well known that he supports abortion and the gay rights agenda. In addition, he has ties to Islam as a child through both his father and stepfather. The denomination he has attended as an adult is the most liberal Protestant denomination. The church in Chicago that Sen. Obama and his family attended, Rev. Jeremiah Wright was its pastor. It’s well known that Rev. Wright believes in Liberation Theology. He has also accused the government of spreading the AIDS virus among blacks and famously preached the Sunday after September 11, 2001, that God should “damn America” rather than bless it for all the so-called evils he thinks America is guilty of.

What could he have in common with “conservative” Christian leaders?

I returned from the meeting very concerned. Here is a liberal—Obama--reaching out to the Christian community at a time the conservative--Sen. John McCain--seems to be distancing himself from the so-called “Christian Right.” I think McCain has a lot of work to do to get the support of the Christian community. Obama seemed to have the support of at least half of the 43 leaders who attended the Chicago meeting. And in my opinion, he “made points” with the rest. The tone of the meeting was respectful and generally upbeat.

I was curious to see who would attend. They wouldn’t release a list of invitees ahead of time. It turns out my son Cameron, who founded Relevant Media Group, was also invited. But neither of us knew this until I copied him with an email saying I intended to go, and he told me he was also attending.

The invitation to the meeting stated, “This is an off-the-record (no media) time for questioning and listening, with no expectation of endorsement.”

We were told that some of the attendees, who covered a wide range of the Christian community, wouldn’t come if the meeting was on the record. However, the press had found out and there were news reporters and television camera crews waiting to ask questions as we left the building to get a taxi to the airport. By the time I had arrived at Midway Airport and began to check my e-mails while awaiting my flight to Orlando, someone had sent me a blog that was surprisingly accurate about the meeting (click here to read it). Today an Associated Press report quoted a couple of attendees (click here to read it). Without revealing specifically what was said at the meeting, I’ll confirm that most of the report was accurate.

So I am merely reporting my personal reflections of the meeting with Sen. Obama while keeping my word about it being “off-the-record.”

Sen. Obama personally took time to meet each person and shake their hand. He’s not as large a man as I envisioned from seeing him on television. But, he’s warm and personable --- obviously one of the reasons why people like him. He seemed to remember names well. He hugged a couple of the participants—mostly the black preachers who attended. He also seemed to be on top of the issues; and he’s obviously very intelligent.

The questions were mostly “softball” questions in my opinion. I was concerned after three or four general questions that we wouldn’t ask the most important questions. So I raised my hand and he called on me. I said, “Senator, I want to ask a question I'm sure you are expecting regarding your position on abortion. I represent a segment of the church where nearly everyone considers the issue of supporting life to be the most important issue and where nearly everyone would be opposed to abortion. I want to ask what your stand on abortion is and if you believe what I think you believe, how you justify that with your Christian faith and why you think we should vote for you.”

Since his response was “off-the-record,” I can say that the time he took to answer was probably 15 minutes. He came across as thoughtful and much more of a “centrist” than what I would have expected. He did not appear to be the crazy leftist that is being supported by George Soros and his radical leftist friends. Sen. Obama looked me in the eye as he answered my question, almost as if it were a one-on-one interview. I had already read the chapter on “faith” in his book the “Audacity of Hope.” If you want to know how he answered the question, read that chapter. In other words, other than his demeanor and obvious attempt to win over the Christian leaders in the room, he didn’t say anything new.

I knew personally about one-third of the people in the room. I had heard of another third of the invitees. Some of the people from the more liberal part of the church were unknown to me. Those from the evangelical community tended to be more the ones who are interested in global warming and social justice as well as the two issues conservative Christians are known for—pro-life and pro-family.

You may know that I supported Gov. Mike Huckabee during the primaries. Like Huckabee, Obama was winsome and good with giving extemporaneous answers to difficult questions. I had hoped that Huckabee would have gotten the nomination. Huckabee was never able to raise the kind of money that Obama has raised. But he did get a lot of the grassroots excited as Obama has obviously done.

Sen. John McCain was my second choice for the nomination. He is a true American hero. He has served well in the Senate for many years. He is strong for our national defense at a time we are in a war with Islamic terrorists. And, he is strong for Israel. He also has the right stands, in my opinion, on abortion and the sanctity of marriage.

Unlike Huckabee, he is not comfortable talking about his faith. It’s well known he has a temper and he has been known to swear in public. The fact he divorced the wife who stuck by him and raised his children while he was in a prisoner of war camp to marry a much younger woman, doesn’t sit well with those of us who believe marriage is for life.

But, we’re not electing the person we think is the most righteous. We’re voting on the one we think will lead America in the right direction for the next four years. Whether Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton or any of the other Democrats had gotten the nomination, I believe the policies they espouse are dangerous not only to the security of our country if they are weak in the battle against terrorism, but they will hurt businesses if there is more governmental interference. And, on the moral issues such as the sanctity of marriage, it’s absolutely scary to think of what will happen if same sex marriage is allowed in this nation. At the same time, the next president will probably nominate not one but several Supreme Court justices to replace some elderly justices who obviously can’t live forever.

My friend Marc Nuttle recounts this in his book “Moment of Truth,” which I highly recommend. You can get it by clicking here.

There’s probably a lot more that I could say about the meeting. But the most significant thing is just the fact that the meeting was held and that several dozen prominent leaders took time to meet with Sen. Obama who I believe won over the loyalties of many.

I urge Sen. John McCain to have a similar meeting—or several such meetings. There is a lot of latent support for him in the Christian community. But after being “still armed” by the McCain camp, while being wooed by the Obama camp, this may be the first time a majority of evangelicals will vote for a Democrat for president since Jimmy Carter, who talked of being “born again” and got many evangelical votes in 1976.

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90 Comments:

  • At June 11, 2008 7:42 PM , Blogger Alan said...

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  • At June 11, 2008 7:44 PM , Blogger Alan said...

    As a committed Christian I am supporting Barack Obama. I believe the Democratic Party best espouses the Christian ideals taught by our Lord Jesus - feeding the poor, caring for the widow, peace making etc.

    I have some concerns over parts of their platform but not as much as I have with the Republican Party's platform.

    I hope the Church in the USA will wake up and cast off its slavish adherence to right wing politics and stand up for the weak and down trodden.

     
  • At June 11, 2008 8:32 PM , Blogger Paul said...

    I used to be a ultra-liberal Massachusetts democrat. After being saved and understanding both sides of the issues, I've become conservative. This doesn't mean uncaring about the poor, etc. It's more based on reality and historical fact.

    Being idealistic is one thing, but naive is another. Liberalism has yet to remove poverty, no matter how many billions have been thrown at it. Don't be fooled by politicians using "Change" as their mantra. Obama's voting record is the most extreme left of anyone in the Senate. This should cause alarms to go off!

     
  • At June 11, 2008 9:05 PM , Blogger Leilani said...

    Thanks for posting this report. I will read the links closely. I actually crossed over on this primary and voted for Obama because I can't stand the governor of Missouri or the Republican party right now. I also think the tactics of the pro-life movement have been ineffective and brought more division to our country. I wish pro-lifers were as involved in issues that affect people outside of the womb -- education, feeding poor children, childcare, single moms, etc. -- issues that are close to my heart. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your meeting.

     
  • At June 11, 2008 9:24 PM , Blogger Katrina said...

    This meeting doesnt surprise me!!
    He is working hard to 'decieve' as many as he can. And if you can be decieved you will be. Its sad to see any of our Christian leaders fall for it!! Very Very sad!!

     
  • At June 11, 2008 10:41 PM , Blogger Steve said...

    I am glad Obama met with religious leaders. It shows an openness and willingness to meet and discuss topics of concern. For too long the Christian community has allowed one political party to own us. This has resulted in disppointment and betrayal at the highest levels. Hopefully this will usher in an era of "common ground" where people can work together for the advancement of Christ and not continue the "us against them" mentality. I see hope and promise on the horizon. I am voting for Obama.

     
  • At June 11, 2008 11:24 PM , OpenID jianco said...

    Steve: I love you brother. You speak the truth in love and have done so ne again here. We simply cannot allow the Obamanation empty suit to be elected.

     
  • At June 11, 2008 11:29 PM , Blogger Seun Kolade said...

    I am just worried that some people will just just the Christian faith to cover up their prejudices. The idea that is being pushed now, with reckless disregard for the total truth of the Christian faith, is that, if you are a true evangelical Christian, you have to be a republican with all the pharaprenalia, otherwise you are liberal. Using the name of the Lord for partisan agenda, that is the ultimate sin, in the manner of Jeroboam who said to the people of God: "These are your God, O Israel". The lord will not take these sort of antics lightly, believe me...

     
  • At June 11, 2008 11:35 PM , Blogger Kenny Chong said...

    I guess that it is easy for someone who is not an American to comment on the upcoming election. After reading your post, I do understand your concern on the 'spiritual' barometer of your next president.I noticed that you have taken pains to paint Obama has someone whom you think is unfit to lead your nation, but what has MacCain done to justify your opinionj that he is the right one? He advocates to say on in the war that drains the US billions of dollars that you all don't have beside losing many of the best live of your prople on a mission based on deceit (even your
    Allies besides UK) has refuse to participate, promote further tax cuts for the top industries and someone who has practically no idea on what is going on in the economic sector of your country.
    We all know that a president is as good as their advisors that they bring into their team and sad to say it seems that Mac Cain seems to think that just because he is a war hero with good connections in Washington makles him the chosen one.
    "Blessed are the peacemakers and they shall be called the children of God."
    The Lord has not finished with everyone yet and with Christian leaders, you all need to work with leaders who are willing to build bridges across the soceities in America. If the Christian leaders do not help to assist potential national leaders who has a desire to bridge the big devide in your nation; then who is going to do it? You seem to feel that the pastor of your church decides your spiritual condition; is it a fair comment?
    I believe it's better for Charisma to stick to issues of god's business and stay out of politics. America deserves the president that they will soon elect. YOu all can form teams to intercede for your nation and for the grace of God to be upon all the potential candidates.
    As far as I know John Mac Cain is not against same sex unions as well and his reply in the Ellen Degeneres shows he is as compromising as anyone else in seek a political advantage.
    From a Christian standpoint, all of them fail and the choice it seems is one of lesser evil.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 3:17 AM , Blogger JDR said...

    When will "Christians" learn that 1) God alone has the answers for ALL issues, and 2) He only responds to those who are in surrendered, submitted relationship to HIM. The "church" is the source of the answers because, supposedly, we are in coordination with THE supernatural God. But the "church" has been content to have endless fifedoms run by "tribal leaders" who looked like big fish in little ponds. Hence, because the "church" was content with DISunity, God did not respond, and we deceived ourselves about our "influence."
    "Church leaders" are chasing people who publicly repudiate them!!! Hello??? Why the chase? Not because of Jesus' reputation, no, no, because of their own need to brag that they are on President so-and-so's speed dial list! I had little in common with the "manifesto," but "useful idiots" is exactly what the "church" is, that is desperate for affirmation from people who unashamedly manipulate their listeners to get POWER over them! Judgment upon AMERICA, all 44% "evangelical" - whatever that is supposed to be worth - will come thru ANY candidate that "wins." God is not on somebody's side - the correct question is, "Who is on the Lord's side?" It is because we so calmly live in Christianity that does not require God's response that now we "support" leaders who do not require Him, as well. We are here, " the greatest democracy in the world" with the abomination candidates that we have because this is who WE are. The next time you pray, "thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven," just realize that this prayer is not "democracy," - it is "t_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" - yeah, that word. That is the only government that will get ALL issues resolved. God made creation so that it can only downward spiral without HIS explicit participation. We seal our own doom, and testify to our deafness when we spend more effort "hearing" pandering politicians - WHO DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS - rather than "leading" the congregations, week after week, into repentance, and a restoration of God's order in our land, among our government, businesses, schools, at ALL levels. That is what WE THE CHURCH are to represent during our lifetimes. Will it take some giant meteor coming to earth to get "evangelical leadership" to change the tel-a-prompters??

     
  • At June 12, 2008 5:15 AM , Blogger stevieg2911 said...

    I appreciate your willingness to attend this gathering even though you knew ahead of time that you probably wouldn't agree with most of the stands of Senator Obama. It reconfirms for me the importance of personally engaging in dialogue on the issues and searching out the stands of each candidate, rather than simply relying on experts and pundants (who always have their own axe to grind) for simple solutions, that most of the time, simply reinforce old, outdated sterotypes.

    Your comments reveal, as you said to Obama, the views of a segment of conservative Christianity who advocate strongly for the importance of personal morality. Yet for me, a mainline pastor, with a strong evangelical- charasmatic streak, issues such as the Iraq war, global warming, and diplomacy among our international friends and "enemies," are equally important, if not more so. If you look deep enough, every candidate will fail on the personal side of righteouness (as we all do as human beings). We're never going to find anyone "good enough" in this regard.

    But here's my real point: I'd like to see us (the Christian community) focus much more on Jesus, and the gospel message and lifestyle, rather than on using the political arena to try to preach our message through public policy. The more Christians have moved from proclaiming the Christian lifestyle to proclaiming the "right political candidate," the more irrelevant our gospel message has become to the secular public.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 6:09 AM , Blogger Barbara said...

    The Word of God states that "the shedding of innocent blood defiles the land." What could be more innocent than the blood of the unborn child? Yet, we continue to have our land defiled through abortion and then wonder aloud why all these bad things happen in our Nation. You cannot choose to live by the parts of the Word that may suit you. Those who would elect a leader who will only carry us further down the this road of defilement, are as responsible as those who commit the heinous acts.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 6:13 AM , Blogger Ticker said...

    "But, we’re not electing the person we think is the most righteous. We’re voting on the one we think will lead America in the right direction for the next four years."

    You sure could have fooled me. The religious far right refuses to support Sen. McCain because he will not kow-tow to them but yet they swoon over the most liberal, far left Senator in the US. Just attending this fiasco without making public your disdain of this candidate's agenda gives the appearance of saying , 'Well, Obama is alright.' I have yet to hear one of the religious far right come out publicly and criticize Obama as they have Sen. McCain. So Senator McCain has a temper, we need someone with a temper to clean up the mess. Best I recall it seems that Jesus had a temper as well. So what he swears sometimes and he diviorced his wife, big deal. I don't believe he supports partial birth abortion now does he as Obama does. I don't believe he has a socialist agenda of taxing anything that makes money and redistribute , now does he.
    The pouty religious far right will not throw their full support behind McCain because the candidate who bobbed and bowed before them did not get nomination. They would rather wrap their righteous rags around themselves and allow someone like Obama to be elected and drag this country into an even deeper depth of leftist agenda than we already are.

    When I hear the far right religious Pharisees began to whine and complain about all the garbage that is being pressed upon this country should Obama be elected, I will be the first to say, I told you so.

    The religious far right needs to get use to the idea that they are no longer the "kingmakers".

     
  • At June 12, 2008 6:18 AM , Blogger Shirley said...

    I'm so offended that you would cite Obama's "ties" to Islam as a reason that he should not be elected. Heck, I'm probably "tied" to Buddhism or something, are you saying that I'm a worse Christian than you just because of that? Please don't say these kinds of things or bring up Obama's "Islamic" middle name--it's just not cool. These are TERRIBLE reasons and will only contribute to misconceptions of Christianity as a narrow-minded group of people who won't step outside of their sheltered, insular worlds (which is NOT true at all!). I appreciate you sharing what happened there, but maybe you could tell us which specific policies McCain supports and Obama denounces that you find important. What reasons do you think will make McCain a much stronger candidate than Obama? Step outside of politics and all that stuff, and think about America. I don't think religious reform will ever come in the form of a politician/president, hence the "separation" of church and state. Maybe if we just let the President handle foreign relations and economics, and Christians focused less on politics and more on people we should be helping and loving, more would get done and we'd be in a better world than we are now.
    I'm also curious, when was the last time you supported/endorsed a Democrat?

     
  • At June 12, 2008 6:30 AM , Blogger peoplethatlove said...

    Amen. The lesser of two evils is John McCain who, at best, is a moderate Republican. To me, that is too liberal for my conservative values. Having said that I will vote for him because Obama is too inexperienced, too liberal, and totally untrustworthy.
    Alan Keyes is the man we needed.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 7:07 AM , Blogger Albert Chisley said...

    I continue to be astounded and disappointed by much of the “Christian Media’s” response to Senator Obama and Senator Clinton. It’s logical to assume that every candidate has flaws and positions that as Christian’s we would disagree with. Unfortunately, in the political climate of present day America if they didn’t they would never get elected in the first place. However, can you not see how dishonest and hypocritical it is to spend so much time and effort in highlighting your concerns with the Democratic Candidates while you overlook and gloss over the issues with the Republican candidates. It’s this very thing that is making Christians positions irrelevant and the butt of jokes in the marketplace. But more than that – IT’S WRONG! Are you a Christian first or a Republican first?

     
  • At June 12, 2008 7:18 AM , Blogger ekwo said...

    I can see from your letter how you have pre-judged Senator Obama and the entire Democratic Party. Your prejudices are also evident-I don't know why you have to emphasize that Obama hugged only the black preachers in the room.

    What you are saying to me Steve is that the true believer must be a Republican and must be share your political persuasion. For a long time Christian journalists like you have continued to promote the false notion that Republican Party as God's own party and ordained by God to bring about the religious reformation we need in America. Sorry, God has started to rain on your party and he is using a man with a name you don't like, with a skin color that is different, with a background you misrepresent and that man is Barack Obama and he will be elected President came November.

    What would Jesus do Steve? He will attend the meeting just like you did and I am glad you went and learnt a whole lot more about this person you pre-judged from a distance. Maybe that should start you and your editorial board thinking about inviting Senator Obama for an interview with Charisma so that we your readers can also get a whole lot of the priviledged information you got in your private meeting with him and other leaders in Chicago.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 7:40 AM , Blogger Alan said...

    'The next time you pray, "thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven," just realize that this prayer is not "democracy,"'

    Indeed - and realise that Christ said "My kingdom is not of this world." It is a spiritual kingdom not an earthly one.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 7:43 AM , Blogger Alan said...

    "
    The Word of God states that "the shedding of innocent blood defiles the land." What could be more innocent than the blood of the unborn child? Yet, we continue to have our land defiled through abortion and then wonder aloud why all these bad things happen in our Nation. You cannot choose to live by the parts of the Word that may suit you. Those who would elect a leader who will only carry us further down the this road of defilement, are as responsible as those who commit the heinous acts. "

    And how much innocent blood will be shed if we stay in Iraq for 100 years ...

    Deciding who a Christian is to vote for cannot be reduced to such a simplistic view as you are trying to do. Both candidates are flawed men, both stand for policies that are abhorrent to Christians. It is the lesser of two evils and a fine judgment.

    My judgment comes down on Senator Obama's side - others will come to a different decision. None will burn in hell as a result of it!

     
  • At June 12, 2008 8:43 AM , Blogger RachelBeth said...

    Great blog, thanks for sharing. It grieves me that most "Christians" in America do not see the LIFE issue as an important one. As for myself, I vowed to the Lord to never vote for someone that would support abortion. I pray that the Church would WAKE UP and realize that they are being deceived by this post-modern culture and that we must hold fast to the Bible first and foremost. To quote Martin Luther, "My conscience is captive to the Word of God... to go against conscience is neither right nor safe."

     
  • At June 12, 2008 8:43 AM , Blogger Tony said...

    Wow, I have read most of the comments here, and find it hard to belive we all claim to be saved, I am of african decent, and did not grow up as a christian, I have seen a lot of good and bad in the church, the church I attend is mixed but mosyly caucasian, my point is that the only issues that we as Born again christians should be looking at are ones that affect our walk with christ, no matter what the name or color of the candiate, the world is changing a round us each day, and not for the better, I am a rebublican, but find it hard to back John Mccain because he seems to be ashamed of his faith, two pastors were denounced by him, Pastor Rod Parsley and Pastor John Hagee, we all know what the Bible says about being ashamed, No I am not comparing them, but were does that leave Mccain on moral issues, as For Barack, there are to many unknowns with him, and some of his past friendships, So what do you do, List the things that are important to you, AS A PERSON OF FAITH, the pros and cons for each candidate, and make a rationale decision from that

     
  • At June 12, 2008 9:21 AM , Blogger Tom Winfield said...

    Good report, Steve. Very good points. I am deeply bothered by the lack of spiritual discernment in the Christian leaders being won over by Obama. Many have let their black issues overwhelm their sense of God's rightesouness. T.D. Jakes going on record with CNN that he is excited about the first black man to run for presidents amounts to an endorsement, because he did not modify it by saying as a Christian leader that he cannot support Obama's stand against pro-life and his stand against pro-family by supporting the homosexual agenda. I am worried that McCain has indeed "stiff armed" the Christian community and that he does not "get it" concering our importance to him. Such evidently fuzzy thinking scares me concerning the Fall elections. America is at a big historical crossroad, and if it goes Left in November, with the help of a large segment of the Church, we are in big trouble--with what will be forced upon us, and, in my opinion with God himself. As a nation, we will have turned against Him for a leader who supports what God has made very clear in the Bible that He hates. Bill Bright told me some years ago that America is already lost, unless God sends a great revival that sweeps enough souls into His kingdom to change the tide toward darkness. By the way things are going, I must agree with him. Bill put that sentiment in his book, The Coming Revival, which I helped write for him. He saw this gathering storm and knew that it could very well engulf our nation. Now is the time for true Believers who follow Jesus, who are influenced by the Holy Spirit, to get on their knees and ask our Almighty God to intervene. McCain just isn't doing and saying the kind of things that will gather Christians to him. At the same time, Obama has a steamroller headed straight at us. I am glad that you were invited to the meeting, and your son Cameron as well. I think you have been made a part of our history.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 9:51 AM , Blogger Tom Winfield said...

    The Gathering Storm is a good title for the November elections. In the minds of Blacks, the Whites have so repressed them they are voting for Obama with all their hearts, forgetting their allegiance to their Savior, Jesus Christ, and His righteous ways. Many Whites in the Church have jumped on the band wagaon too. They want CHANGE! Well, none of us likes the way things are going, but why jump out of the frying pan into the fire? The CHANGE Obama promises, without giving details, amounts to same-o, same-o, that is--abortion forever and the enormous increase in homosexual rights, even unto same-sex marriage. America will be tweaking God's nose on those two righteous issues. Dear Lord, save us from it, somehow. Not all of us have gone nuts over the new savior and rock star celebrity, B. Hussein Obama, who has sat under radical Liberation Theology the last 20 years. Some of us want You, Lord.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 10:12 AM , Blogger FMVeg said...

    The point of being Christlike is to take care of the poor, to help those in need. We need socialized medicine, just like we have socialized police and fire departments.
    Also, sometimes being pro-life means taking care of the mother and child AFTER being born, therefore reducing the number of abortions. We can all agree that abortions should be rare. That will ensure it. And Obama is the clear choice.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 10:22 AM , Blogger Vern said...

    If I were to vote today I would write in Huckabee. As a retired pastor and teacher of the Word of God I can not and will not vote for Obama. Anybody who is for abortion is "murderer" (and not a killer). What about Gay (rights)? Is God pleased with that? He is for that too. We could go on and on. I wish folks would check a candidates record and decide on that basis. Remember, a person IS what they have been becoming.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 11:03 AM , OpenID tcapers9 said...

    Tom said....While some are spewing off thier racial and political babble they are the same ones that will have to humble themselves at the end of this election, for as we all know that, "The powers that be are ordained by God." So you still have a chance to take your foot out of your mouth and repent, which you will be doing openly in a few. Selah

     
  • At June 12, 2008 11:09 AM , Blogger Ticker said...

    After further reading I came across two quotes which cause some concern.

    1.The questions were mostly “softball” questions in my opinion.(Steve Strang)

    2.Cizik said participants agreed not to give specifics of Obama's responses to their questions, but that "there was nothing softball about this meeting and that's the way he said he wanted it.".

    My question is, Were you two at the same meeting? How about an explanation?

    Alan, I will address your seemingly leftist ideals which you seem to think is a function of government.
    Jesus taught that Christians were to take care of the poor, the widows etc. No where did he say the Government was to do so.It is frankly not the function of the government to do any of those things. Don't try your WWJD spin with those who know better.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 11:22 AM , Blogger Alan said...

    "Jesus taught that Christians were to take care of the poor, the widows etc. No where did he say the Government was to do so.It is frankly not the function of the government to do any of those things."

    I totally, utterly and passionately disagree. One of the great advances of the last 2,000 years is how we have organised our societies to carry out Jesus' instructions to care for those less well off and dis-advantaged. Society is stronger when we work together. The quality of care should not depend on the size of the local Church or the whims of the Pastor.

    "Whatever you did for one of them you did for me"

     
  • At June 12, 2008 11:31 AM , Blogger JDR said...

    From the variety of responses, one thing is clear. The specific definition of "Christian" that plainly let's one declare that "this one is," and "this one ain't," has been lost. We have let NON-Christians define us, rather than asking for the transforming power to be what God wants us to be. Barna Research Institute has all the stats to prove that "Christian" has whatever meaning, purpose and opinion that anyone wants it to have. Because we have lost our "In or out" definition, then we have lost our ability to unify. "That they might be one" - the forgotten prayer and objective.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 2:44 PM , Blogger viv said...

    As a committed Christian and American resident with no voting rights, I have been following the campaigns with a removed interest. Steve Strang's report, and the subsequent comments, leave me saddened by what Christianity in America has become. Fractured, more passionate about "issues" than God, self-absorbed and lacking in humility.

    This is not a judgement. It's just one person's observation.

    Firstly, the use of Islamic ties against Obama are shocking to me. It only serves to confirm unbelievers' views that Christians are narrow-minded and ignorant. Whether or not he is so inclined I don't know. But the reasons used are laughable to people with some exposure to the outside world. There are countless Christians all over the world with familial, cultural, social or national ties to all sorts of religions and regimes. You don't have to be born Christian to be Christian, thank God for that.

    Secondly, it seems that many people latch onto one or a few issues, and those issues form their definition of the candidate or party. As passionate and well-meaning as they are, does this mean that one Christian's "issue" is more important than another's? Will the President that supports someone's "most important" issue be the President that America needs?

    Thirdly, I echo the comments that point out Mr Strang's pre-conceived notions and judgement of Obama even before the meeting. No leader will be perfect and God uses anyone, even evil kings of old, to do his will. Each candidate espouses to be Christian and each is clearly flawed. Surely God's will can be done via any party or person, and perhaps we should pray first and foremost for that.

    Lastly, there seems to be an overwhelming amount of Christian writings, reports, blogs and forums that passionately debate the characters, beliefs, and even "Christian-ness" of candidates. It seems that someone is always trying to influence someone else, someone is always trying to "expose" someone else, and someone is always intent that their perception or opinion is most likely, or even certainly, correct.

    But I am encouraged by many comments that urge unity, and that remind us that we are Christians first and voters second (or whichever rank you choose). I am especially encouraged by this comment by stevieg2911:

    "But here's my real point: I'd like to see us (the Christian community) focus much more on Jesus, and the gospel message and lifestyle, rather than on using the political arena to try to preach our message through public policy. The more Christians have moved from proclaiming the Christian lifestyle to proclaiming the "right political candidate," the more irrelevant our gospel message has become to the secular public."

     
  • At June 12, 2008 2:47 PM , Blogger Alan said...

    "But here's my real point: I'd like to see us (the Christian community) focus much more on Jesus, and the gospel message and lifestyle, rather than on using the political arena to try to preach our message through public policy. The more Christians have moved from proclaiming the Christian lifestyle to proclaiming the "right political candidate," the more irrelevant our gospel message has become to the secular public."

    Amen!

     
  • At June 12, 2008 4:21 PM , Blogger Shobc said...

    First, the religiuos leaders do not necessarily speak for me. Especially since some of them aren't living the scriptures. Thank God for Billy Graham.

    Second, if someone calls themselves Christian, there are requirements for such. Why wasn't the answer to the question of "Is Christ the way or just a way" given. There is only one reponse to be called a Christian.

    In these last days we need men and woman of God who will not compromise and stand strong on the "Word" May God have mercy on us all.

     
  • At June 12, 2008 9:29 PM , Blogger Chuck said...

    It is scary to see how many people are choosing Obama. It reminds me of Hitler. This whole election period is bad. But what counts is a person’s personal relationship with God (Jesus). We may sometimes think politics can help bring revival, but only the Holy Spirit, God’s Word and God’s church can bring revival. I like Alan Keyes, but I guess I will vote Republican as the lesser of the evils (but not by as much as I would wish). I don’t believe Obama shows the fruits of being a Christian, and if you say many of the Christian leaders at the meeting were impressed, that says a lot about American Christians. Persecution has begun in America, and I think it will be good for the true church in America. You are doing us a disservice by not actually reporting on the meeting, you should not have gone if you thought you were required to give up your freedom of speech. Off the record just meant no press there, not that you couldn’t say anything.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 4:05 AM , Blogger Chuck said...

    How much information do you think Obama knows about you? Does he know about your blog? How many of these comments were produced by "his people"?

     
  • At June 13, 2008 5:27 AM , Blogger Lamario Stripling said...

    I am really concerned about the staff at Charisma in its attempts to spread news about Barack Obama without fairly criticizing his counterpart, John McCain. I didn't attend the meeting so I am not sure what transpired with Obama, but what I am sure of is that he had the courage to meet with the religious community, while McCain is distancing himself from us. Again, the major eye opener is that McCain rejects the endorsements of religious leaders and you expect us to vote for him? Truly amazing. The fact that Obama met with Christians speaks volumes. Why? So glad to answer this question. Prayer changes things. The effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avails much.

    I see hope with Obama and actually can feel a shift in this country. I am very disappointed with Charisma, J. Lee Grady, and Stephen Strang with their so called concern for Christians. The truth of the matter is that you should be praying for God's will to be done on earth as in heaven.

    For the first time I am considering cancelling my subscription to Charisma and certainly removing my email address from Charisma related newsletters.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 5:31 AM , Blogger Chuck Staab said...

    Does anyone think that Obama reminds them of the anti-christ? I am a well educated Christian physician who is worried about the direction of this country. Obama is a smooth talker and seems to always say what his audience wants to hear. He reminds me of the "Father of Liars". Witness his comments about PA "hunters" and his warm, centrist comments to you. I have decided to pray for him but he will not get my vote.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 5:42 AM , Blogger Priscilla said...

    As I have watched this current political scene and observed those who call themselves 'committed Christians' get sucked into a world view that directly opposes the Word of God,I am more and more convinced that we are approaching the End of Days.(Matthew 24)
    We have been duped into believing that as American citizens we must follow one political party or another. That is not true. We should use the intellence that God has given us and vote for individuals based on God's standards, NOT based on our pocketbooks or our favorite causes.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 6:41 AM , Blogger Carl said...

    I'm a pastor of a non-denominational pentecostal/charismatic church in Southern California. I grew up in Southern Illinois as a member of the COGIC denomination, and served as 8 years as an assistant pastor to Bishop Benjamin Crouch (Andrae Crouch's dad). I voted for GWB in the last two elections, but it is very disturbing to me how his administration led us into war with Iraq based on "intelligence" that is now proving to be poor speculation at the least and criminally irresponsible at the most. I believe that both abortion and homosexuality are choices - ungodly, bad choices. But it disturbs me that the Christian community is trying to act as though these are the only important issues that we face as a country - and is so willing to ignore all of the other destructive things that have happened to our country during the watch of the current "conservative" administration, including the needless sacrifice of thousands of lives in Iraq, the irresponsible cost of that war's devastating effect on our economy, failure to improve our education system...and on and on. An ineffective church - not government - has always been the leading contributor to moral and social problems. With divorces, teen sex & pregnancy, substance abuse, business fraud - all occuring within the church family at the same rate as non-church goers, I think our concerns are conveniently being misplaced. To select a president merely based on his/her party affiliation is no longer a sound practice. Evangelicals like to harken back to the Reagan years as an example of a president who valued our beliefs, while ignoring the fact that Nancy Reagan had an astrologist who had as much influence on her and her husband as any pastor. How about believers praying and doing the grassroots Christian work we should be doing in our communities instead of cultivating the exclusive congregations that tend to focus so much of our resources on inreach programs at the expense of meaningful outreach and upreach. I don't agree with radical black liberation theology, but I also don't agree with pastors who live extravagantly off their congregations, have affairs with women and men, or neglect their parental responsibilities to their children. I don't know who I'll vote for, but I believe that the king's heart is still in the hands of the Lord, and a praying church can have more impact than a political party leader.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 7:29 AM , Blogger Dionne said...

    This is such an interesting time in American politics. This election season has probably garnered more attention than any in recent history. It has brought many issues and sore spots into the limelight that we citizens of the US have largely been able to ignore: issues of race/racism, left vs. right, etc.

    When Bush first ran for president I noticed that religion and faith became a part of his campaign strategy. Since that time it seems that to be considered a "real Christians" one must vote for the Republicans. I agree with another writer here that the so-called conservative party does not seem to be as in touch with Christian principles as they would like us to believe.

    I agree that keeping this country safe from terrorism is a paramount concern and that the life of the unborn should be protected. However, when I consider how self-serving the conservative party appears to be I must pause. Think of the millions of jobs that have been outsourced to other countries resulting in the lost of millions of jobs and the shut down of businesses and factories. Think about the fact that in this land of the brave, thousands of hard working Americans and their children are starving. One of the principle messages for the New Testament Church was to remember the widows and the poor. (See Galatians 2:10, Proverbs 31:9, Isaiah 10:1, 2). This does not seem to be the drive of the conservative party.

    Also, Mr. Strang you commented that Mr. Obama has ties to Islam through his father and step-father. This concerns me because I do not believe a person should be held accountable for their relatives' choice of religion. There are millions of Christians who have family members who have chosen to not walk with Christ. Whether you choose to support Obama or not is your perogative, but it seems wrong to base your decision, at least in part, on his father's religion.

    (With regard to the Jeremiah Wright issue: you forgot to mention that he very publicly resigned from that church.)

     
  • At June 13, 2008 2:25 PM , Blogger Denny Hartford said...

    Just a quick note to thank you for the excellent article. I have recommended it to visitors at Vital Signs Blog and hope it enlarges the readership of your timely and important piece. Again, good job!

    Denny Hartford
    Director, Vital Signs Ministries
    Omaha, Nebraska

     
  • At June 13, 2008 4:28 PM , Blogger Paul said...

    I am thankful that this beautiful country can grow and progress as the Christian Right fade under mounting national debts, outdated attitudes and untold deaths at the hands of your childish, un-christian policies. I am thankful that this beautiful country can grow once more.

    You had 8 years of absolute power. It's time for you to leave the stage. good riddance.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 4:35 PM , Blogger Artemesia said...

    How can you claim to follow Jesus and say you prefer Republicans because they will be better for BUSINESS.

    Jesus threw the money lenders from the temple.

    Jesus said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

    Jesus' message was one of love and charity, NOT one of making money off other people.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 4:36 PM , Blogger Barry said...

    As a pastor, I'm always disappointed in the way that the religious are sucked into the quicksand of politics. When you open your heart to empathy and love, these issues disappear.

    I'm dismayed to see churches sucked into the divisive agenda. Abortion and gay marriage are issues where good and honest people differ, when what we should be focused on is whether we are free to worship as we choose. The true test of our leaders should be in their support for the constitutional freedoms which give us the right to practice what we believe. When we vote our religion, we push things in the direction of theocracy and away from a place where each person can follow their heart.

    Someone upthread mentioned that Jesus had a temper. This is not true. There is a single event in the scripture where Jesus showed wrath, and it was at the money changers in the temple. Note that it was was not long after this event that he was arrested and crucified. Christ had a great deal of 'leftist' teachings that are ignored by many; many 'successful' pastors would have an easier time passing through the eye of the needle than entering the kingdom of heaven.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 4:46 PM , Blogger BryanRDC said...

    I am a liberal, a Jew, and a principled faithful person. I have plenty of concern about much of the "religious right" and its rhetoric, but firmly believe that people of good faith with open minds can work together and move mountains. Reverend Strang, you are blessed and impressive for going to the meeting, having an open mind, and assessing Senator Obama for his sincerity, his intellect, and his willingness to engage in challenging conversations, all *off* the record and therefore not prone to manipulation or done simply for the photo-op. I hope and pray that I can remember to use you as an example next time I am tempted to write off someone I think I will disagree with.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 5:06 PM , Blogger shalom said...

    Thanks Steve for your forthright comments. I do recognize your being a Republican loyalist. But I guess this time, we pray to Yahweh that Obama will win. Enough of Republican wars, esp unnecessary wars like Iraq when your President has to lie to his people about the real motive of the invasion.You have enough of Republicans leading you to the pit brother! Hey try this Democrat one - I guess he may lead America out of the pits and all that prestige that America has lost in the world and all that Mr Bush has dumped you into. By the way,from where I sit I don't think there will be many evangelical leaders who will be that enthusiastic about McCain! The way his advisers have been thrashing Christian leaders like Hagee and even rejecting an audience with Billy Graham - imagine rejecting Billy G - those advisers need to be guillotined. C'mon Steve! Tell your evangelical leader-friends, wake up to a new day! Your GOP heroes have been taking the evangelicals for a ride for ll these years - time to change or America will be in recession forever and not just economically but in int'l affairs and relations as well.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 5:15 PM , Blogger Regina said...

    Thanks a lot for your blog. You have reminded me why I continue to stand of the highest of moral principle by remaining an atheist.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 6:05 PM , Blogger Carl said...

    The Republican Party and the Religious Right (whatever that means) have some kind of misconception that moral behavoir gained through legislation is some kind of real victory. We all know that morality can never be gained through legislation - not even if God Himself writes the laws (remember something called the 10 commandemnts?).

    There are a lot of alarming parallels between todays Republican Party/Christian Conservatives and the Catholic Church/Crusaders of the 12th and 13th centuries. It's a wrongheaded approach. And I'll admit, it's kind of an unfair comparison. But it's just as unfair to always demonize the Democratic party as the party of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    By the way, Steven, maybe Senator Obama hugged the black preachers because he knew them from previous contacts. It's possible that he had never met any of the other people in the room, just as he had never met you.

    And it's an unfortunate shame how you drop the seeds of implied racism, paganism, and terrorism. I am surprised at your whole-throated willingness to tarnish and besmear another Christian whom you only met once.

    I wonder what your editorial comment would have been if you had had the opportunity to meet some genuine Christian radicals who defied the Christian conservative plumb-line of the times (like Martin Luther King, Fannie Lou Hammer and Harriet Tubman)?

    Finally, Steven, if you're telling me that you have all these reservations about John McCain, yet you're willing to set them aside and support him just because he's a republican, then you, sir, have lost any credibility with me because in my opinion, that's not a very deep logical or spiritual reason to choose one Christian candidate over another.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 6:47 PM , OpenID BrianLMack said...

    John McCain won't do it because the attendees will realize how insincere he is. You can't force a nation to believe a certain way just by supporting certain policies (i.e. overturning Roe v Wade). Obama has a sincere faith, McCain does not. The ONLY reason McCain says he's pro-life is to get votes. And abortion is certain not the only issue people of faith should be concerned with, not even the most important. I think it demonstrates the author's shallowness to suggest that it is.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 6:51 PM , OpenID BrianLMack said...

    paul said: Obama's voting record is the most extreme liberal in the senate.

    That is the most blatantly misleading comment. The senate is not a liberal body - nothing comes to a vote that is extremely liberal. Senators are elected by whole states. Even the most liberal states are not extreme. Heck, California has a Repulican gov. You cannot claim that a senator is extreme liberal based on his voting record. If you think you can, then please, list the extremely liberal bills that he voted for.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 7:03 PM , Blogger Hokuto said...

    Chuck Staab wrote: "Does anyone think that Obama reminds them of the anti-christ? I am a well educated Christian physician who is worried about the direction of this country. Obama is a smooth talker and seems to always say what his audience wants to hear. He reminds me of the "Father of Liars"."



    I'm also worried about the direction of our country when ostensibly well-educated physicians can talk glibly about the "father of lies" without referencing the current president and his Machiavellian Rove. II Corinthians says that Satan himself appears as an "angel of light"; if so, that helps explain why so many conservative Christians have been taken in by the "compassionate conservative" agenda of the past eight years, with their promise of "faith-based" initiatives. Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world" -- "this world" includes America, according to my geography. And it's right to desire, as Hebrews 11:16 says "a better country," but as Hebrews goes on to specify, that country is not of this earth; it is "a heavenly one." Christians are to be sojourners in this world, not attached to it to the degree they think they have to transform it into a counterfeit god's kingdom.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 8:16 PM , Blogger Cal said...

    I don’t know who you should vote for. I don’t know who I should vote for either.

    I used to know, but that was before I was redeemed through Christ’s love and sacrifice. Unencumbered by God’s Grace, my political choices were once quite simple. I had a political party and I supported all of its candidates. Towards those who opposed my party’s candidates I felt mostly hostility and contempt.

    I haven’t been a Christian for very long, so I can’t profess to much theological insight. But I do know that hostility and contempt is something I must now purge in the face of my newfound alliance with Jesus.

    There are only two candidates. I know that neither can fully represent my beliefs. No matter who I chose I will be making a compromise. I can live with that. But what I must guard against is returning to my former self even a little and letting who I vote for compromise what I believe.

    Talking and praying with the candidates is a good thing. Maybe there are some who disagree with assertion. But at the very least, talking and praying has got to be better than hostility and contempt.

     
  • At June 13, 2008 8:32 PM , Blogger Jeff V said...

    why in the world would you consider not attending this event?? what citizen of this country would not want to have a chance to meet a presidential candidate?? is your first love, love of country, OR...???

     
  • At June 13, 2008 9:01 PM , Blogger Great Grany 5 said...

    I have many Born Again Christian friends who are really struggling with the upcoming elections this fall. Some, who are consistent voters and feel a responsibility to that freedom we should all cherish, are not going to cast a vote for either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama. I don't agree with that but it is their decision. I also have great problems with both candidates but I am seeking God's inspiration to know the right man to vote for. I feel like I did when the national elections gave me the choice of Richard Nixon and George McGovern. I stayed home and never regretted it. History proved that neither one of those men were fit for the high office of President of These United States.

    Now we come to the Obama dilemma and if I could cast my vote for the sweetest smile, the orator, the charisma graced candidate, it would be so simple. But you see, I am old enough now to know that that smile won't keep America safe or strong in the eyes of the terrorist; the great speaker will only be shouting into the wind if we aren't behind him 100% and his words are not truth; the charisma can be of this world the same just as the Anointing is of God Only; and Change can involve many ideologies that are sure to strip us of our freedoms. Change happened in Russia with the Bolsheviks and Communism became their mantra. Change can be the antithesis of freedom but I would hope not.

    There has to be a change in this country but it has to be a Godly change or else it will only lead to the same old same old. I saw a change in government when Harry Truman ascended to the presidency after Franklin Roosevelt died suddenly. There was a whole lot of complaining and fault finding going on when little old Harry took office after the death of a beloved Charismatic president and the news media had a ball making fun of him. But you know what? God had his hand on Harry and Harry cast the vote that recognized Israel becoming a nation again. So, history records this plain little Haberdasher from Independence, Missouri as the deciding vote in the UN for Israel to fulfill the prophecy of the Regathering and rebuilding of God's Chosen People.

    I have to pray that God will lead me to know his Will in this time and for this season; that the times are not just about the USA but all nations existing to bring about the Glory of God's Son. I might not like all that I hear nor enjoy all that I feel, but I will be submitted to serve God to the fullest, even with my vote.

    Shalom

     
  • At June 13, 2008 11:03 PM , Blogger Robert said...

    What a poorly written account of your encounter - not a single shred of substance about Sen. Obama's answer to your question on abortion. I've read the Audacity of Hope, and he couldn't possibly have said 'the same thing as in the book' because he said very little in the book about abortion. He clearly said more to you in 15 minutes than you cared to write.

    Why can't Christians just get over the fact that it it NOT the place of the government to impose YOUR religious beliefs on the entire population with regards to gay marriage? I am a Christian and I realize it is not the duty of our government to institute any religion's fetishes. If our government approves gay marriage, fine. You don't have to embrace it.

    But don't try to make our government an extension of your right wing theological positions. It's not your place. Get over it--you're not Conservative, you're absolutist, you're fundamentalist, and I will fight with every fiber of my being your efforts to institute your oppressive and dangerous religious views into becoming law.

     
  • At June 14, 2008 12:09 AM , Blogger Thomas said...

    To the person who called Obama a smooth-talking liar who tells people what they want to hear, consider this: Obama obviously didn't tell Mr. Strang what he would have liked to hear about abortion. In all likelihood he was also asked about homosexuality and did not tell Mr. Strang and the other conservatives in the room what they would have liked to hear about that.

    But please, keep talking about how you think Obama is the antichrist, or he reminds you of Hitler or whatever. Really good for your credibility.

    Seriously though, it is nice to see a thread full of conservative Christians talking about Obama without someone claiming he is a Muslim. I've enjoyed reading the way most of you write with civility and care.

     
  • At June 14, 2008 1:16 AM , OpenID juliekay44 said...

    One of the earlier posters is correct that legislating morality does not work. I can remember back alley abortions where lower income women sometimes bleed to death, while people with money received safe abortions.

    As others have said, I cannot understand the narrow focus on abortion and gay marriage over taking care of the poor and needy. John McCain's tax plan is a continuation of the Republican agenda of business over individual's needs.

    President Bush has the blood of over 4,000 US military and approximately 500,000 Iraq civilians. What would Jesus have done about deciding to attack Iraq?

    The United Methodist Church sent George W Bush letters before the war in Iraq telling him not to start the war. While Bush was claiming that God told him to start the war. The church has continued to send him letters, telling him to get out of Iraq, United Methodist do not torture people, and do not cut funding for programs that help the less fortunate.

    Iraq War 'Unjustifiable', says Bush's Church Headt Oct, 2002 (Also Dick Cheney's church)
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1020-02.htm
    President George Bush's own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are 'without any justification according to the teachings of Christ'.

    Our country is in a financial crisis, why are "Evangelicals" continuing to ignore the damage done by the Republicans, which are policies McCain intends to continue? Making abortion and gay relationships illegal will not prevent either.

    Former Senator, Phil Gramm, Texas (oil companies) McCain's primacy financial advisor was a major contributor to the current financial crisis.

    Gasoline Prices
    "In the long term, gasoline prices will soon continue their rapid rise, because those prices have little relationship to supply/demand factors (and) are being manipulated upward by energy traders," he said.
    http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/business/story.html?id=ecb962b7-7837-42f8-ad2c-f201d1a0f6bd

    Foreclosure Phil
    Years before Phil Gramm was a McCain campaign adviser and a lobbyist for a Swiss bank at the center of the housing credit crisis, he pulled a sly maneuver in the Senate that helped create today's subprime meltdown."
    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/29/9274

    Phil Gramm, Bill Clinton, and the Sub-Prime Financial Mess
    Listen to Michael Greenberger on NPR’s Fresh Air http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89338743

    How McCain's Top Economic Adviser Helped Create Subprime Meltdown
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/29/how-mccains-economic-advi_n_104054.html

    Bear Stearns, Housing Subprime, Enron, Gas Prices - Former Senator Phil Gramm
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/business/23how.html?pagewanted=print

     
  • At June 14, 2008 6:48 AM , Blogger Nancy said...

    I am a committed Christian. I'm disturbed that you write about Barack Obama's "ties" to Islam.

    A basic Christian belief is that we make faith commitments as individuals. We are not defined as a people by genetics and ancestry, but by belief and baptism.

    Obama's a Christian. I know you don't agree with his church's theology, but it's still quite obviously a Christian community and he's a baptized member.

    I am a moderate-to-liberal voter and I try every day to remember that more conservative politicians are my brothers and sisters in Christ. Please do the same.

     
  • At June 14, 2008 7:33 AM , Blogger Becky said...

    "And, on the moral issues such as the sanctity of marriage, it’s absolutely scary to think of what will happen if same sex marriage is allowed in this nation."

    What, exactly, will happen? If two men or two women get married in California, how will that affect my happy hetero marriage out here in Ohio? Why is gay marriage so scary? (Any answers using the word "icky" are invalid.)

     
  • At June 14, 2008 10:48 AM , Blogger Cepjr said...

    Too many "conservative Christians" who seem to blindly throw their lot in with the Republican party seem to forget the fact that America is a democracy, not a theocracy.

    Even though homosexuality and abortion are implicitly against God's law, in a democratic form of government the majority rules. If the majority of people out there want abortions and gay marriage - then that's exactly what we'll see in this country.

    I was the director for the prayer ministry at a church that was affiliated with Rhema (Kenneth Hagin). We had around 800 people in attendance on Sunday. We had a once-a-month prayer service in which the entire church was to come together just to pray. During the year that I was over this service, we never had more than 15 people in attendance at the monthly prayer service.

    If you don't want to see gay marriage, abortion, or any other blatant ungodly practice passed into law in this country, then get on your knees and then get into the streets and get the gays and the pro-choice people saved.

    Stop depending on government to do our work for us. And Christians, please stop falling in lock-step to the rhythm of the Republican party. Look at their record - they are no worse or no better than the Democratic party. Stop drinking the RNC kool-aid. Open your eyes and see what's in front of you.

    And stop smearing and dividing the church even more than it is over something as stupid as partisan politics.

    Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and unto God the things that are Gods.

     
  • At June 14, 2008 11:00 AM , OpenID Stephen said...

    I think the label "pro-life" is misleading. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are truly pro-life — and I suspect you aren't, either.

    Pro-life surely doesn't just connote an opposition to abortion. It must also comprise anti-war, anti-torture, active efforts to ameliorate poverty, reduce the incidence of HIV/AIDS, effect justice for blacks and other disenfranchised social groups, etc.

    You say you oppose Obama's candidacy because you're pro-life. You could justifiably oppose either candidate on that ground. But Obama is arguably more pro-life than McCain, and therefore more worthy of the support of a Christian like yourself.

     
  • At June 14, 2008 5:36 PM , Blogger JR said...

    Thanks for your report. I think what's refreshing about Sen. Obama is his candidness and his willingness to take the time to hear and respect points of view that are different from his. I get the sense that he is someone with a well defined worldview, but who is always learing, reassessing and growing. I'm delighted to support him.

    I grew up Christian and went to catholic schools. I'm sympathetic to the pro-life position but find it one of many issues that are critical to the future of the nation--issues like global warming, morality in foreign affairs and detainee treatment, civil rights, poverty, etc. I have to ask an imprudent question -- you say it's scary to think what will happen if same sex marriage is legal. Sir, what exactly do you think will happen? It is already legal in Massachusetts and now California. I respect your opposition, but I encourage you to consider the way you think and talk about this issue. What will happen? And is it really as bad a you think for society?

     
  • At June 14, 2008 6:29 PM , Blogger Keith Murray said...

    There is no way that anyone that is true believer and disciple of Jesus Ch